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Melbourne investor nervous

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El Barto

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One of the main backers of the Melbourne Super expansion franchise may pull out of the venture and redirect financial support to Queensland Reds after reaching an impasse with the ARU over funding.

Mining magnate Kevin Maloney was a leading member of a consortium of potential private owners negotiating with the ARU to acquire the licence to operate the Melbourne team, which will enter the Super rugby series in 2011.

But it is understood negotiations have been strained over the size of the ARU grant to the fledgling franchise and that Maloney and another potential investor, Craig Dunn, are no longer involved. An informed source has told The Australian newspaper Maloney is now looking at investing in the Reds instead.

The loss of Maloney's financial backing would be a major setback to the Melbourne franchise, which has to be up and running by early next year.

The side's creation marks a departure from the traditional state and territory owned Super rugby teams.

The ARU provides the Brumbies, NSW Waratahs, Western Force and Reds with an annual grant of $4.3 million.

Ideally, the ARU would not have to make this grant to the privately owned Melbourne franchise, but the potential investors have argued they need the funds to make a small return on their investment of $5m to $10m, which will be eaten up by start-up costs.

The investors believe they are entitled to the grant because it comes out of revenue generated by the ARU's broadcasting deal.

The ARU has softened its stance on the issue, increasing its offer from $2.1m to $3m. There is a feeling at ARU headquarters that if the national union stumped up the whole $3m, it might as well run the team itself.

But this would place the ARU in a position of conflict of interest with the other state-run teams.
 

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Andrew Slack (58)
So let me get this straight. JON might bite himself in his own arse. Sensational.
 

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Peter Sullivan (51)
I would imagine if you are investing in a team then you are looking at the long term potential, the Reds would offer a lot more for the future because of the junior players. Unless he is getting massive kickbacks from the ARU surely the Reds are a better option. It would be easier to add around 10k to a reds crowd rather than find 20k new fans in Melbourne.
 
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TOCC

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still doesnt explain the hurdle of how he is going to invest his money at the Reds if he were to, would he take a 50% stake in the Reds with the QRU retaining the other half, i mean if he is going to invest some serious cash into the franchise then he would want a reasonable amount of control.
 

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Greg Davis (50)
this is laughable, surely in the bid process he would have signed a contract or agreed to terms of some sort, now he wants a better deal and is threatening to walk, and just like bees to the honey, that will be john oniels fault, guy wanted to invest, he wants to change the rules now, let him walk, the ARU shouldnt have brought this model in in the first place.
 

waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
you would think the negotiations took place before the guy signed off as being part of the team, if he has and this is how he does bussiness, he will fit in well in queensland!
 
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chief

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I've a bad feeling about the Melbourne team. The crowds will probably be under 10,000 numerous times. It really won't look so good.
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
chief said:
I've a bad feeling about the Melbourne team. The crowds will probably be under 10,000 numerous times. It really won't look so good.

I am sure the crowd for Melbourne's home games will average more than 20,000 over the first two years. I'd be very surprised if there is one crowd of less than 15,000 in those two years.
 
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chief

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I'm no rugby expert down in Melbourne. But their NRL crowds are generally around 10,000, and that is with their success. I really can't see them being so high. Especially that they have 2 A-League teams, NRL team, a fuckload of AFL teams.
 

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Dave Cowper (27)
I'd say the grassroots are a lot stronger here for rugby than league. Tons of kiwis, saffas and surprisingly irish who also love the game and have little time for league. I think they'll get 15+ at home games on average - depending how they go..
 

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Bob Davidson (42)
Not to mention that rugby is played competitively at school level in Melbourne (Is it still just private schools?), so there will now be an easier, more visible pathway for those who don't want to play AFL, or are the wrong body shape for that sport.

Crowds should be ok.
 

cheezel

Bill Watson (15)
All of the private schools play rugby and the few club games I've been to get decent crowds. I wouldn't worry about what the league gets for crowds as league is completely foreign to Victorians. There is a fairly big history to Victorian Rugby and a lot of the old school guys will definitely be keen
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
cheezel said:
All of the private schools play rugby and the few club games I've been to get decent crowds. I wouldn't worry about what the league gets for crowds as league is completely foreign to Victorians. There is a fairly big history to Victorian Rugby and a lot of the old school guys will definitely be keen

Also I think the Rebels got some of the best crowds in the ARC.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Yep - the Rebels were pulling the best crowds, although that's only about 3,000 - 5,000, it's still encouraging.
 

cheezel

Bill Watson (15)
Hey James, did you go to the Weary Dunlop 100 years of Victorian Rugby night a week or so ago?
 

James Buchanan

Trevor Allan (34)
cheezel said:
Hey James, did you go to the Weary Dunlop 100 years of Victorian Rugby night a week or so ago?

Unfortunately, no.

Being a poor Uni student at present, the price was just too high for me to justify.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
You blokes should get the Vic chapter going a bit harder. Grab Lindy and the other Vics and have a few beers. Make yourselves chairperson and president of the chapter unopposed.
 
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