Mark Lawrence Retires

[kiap]

Start by availing yourself of the facts before posting - POB has nothing to do with the RWC appointments.
There is a specific RWC 2011 Match Official Selection Committee - POB was NOT on it.
Irishman David Pickering is the chairman, other members are Steve Hilditch, Tappe Henning, Michael Lamoullie, Bob Francis

You got this from Wikipedia, right. - Why do I suggest this? .... Steve Hilditch isn't Irish. And you missed coaching rep Kevin Bowring!

Wiki
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Referee Selectors
Steve Hilditch of Ireland is the head of the selectors. They closely work with Paddy O'Brien to select referees.

- Steve Hilditch
- Tappe Henning
- Michael Lamoullie
- Bob Francis

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The 2011 referees for the Rugby World Cup were also based on merit, following on from 4 years previous. The IRB consisting of the selectors and Paddy O'Brien selected 10 referees to referee at the 2011 Rugby World Cup: less than they had previously ever selected. This was to give match officials more game time during the tournament, and help the selectors to pick the best officials for the knockout stage.
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[kiap]

Yea, people are clutching at straws when trying to connect POB to Mark Lawrence not being selected for the WC. They have a whole selection committee (that I don't think POB is not a part of), and i'm sure if all of them wanted Mark Lawrence at the WC but for some reason Paddy didn't, it wouldn't matter, he'd be at the world cup!

Politics is always barely beneath the surface at the IRB. You don't get unanimity without horse trading.

People who think Paddy O'Brien is hands off and has nothing to do with referees selection are kidding. He runs the high performance referees program, coordinates the performance reviews and presents to the selection committee. He's central to the process. "We stand behind the ten that we select."

 

[Scarfman]

That's a real bugger - he was one of the best ref's going. Shithouse.

Not least because he dismissed scarfy's vid as well.

You did notice that the iRB just directed the referees to crack down on pillars and driving through offside at the ruck?

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

You did notice that the iRB just directed the referees to crack down on pillars and driving through offside at the ruck?

If you think it's related to your cycloptic little video you more deluded than I thought.

Rugby would be such a better game if George smith hadn't pioneered such flagrant cheating, I will give you that

 

[Top Bloke]

Nope from the IRB press release back in June I think

"....Why do I suggest this? .... Steve Hilditch isn't Irish.... "

I never said Steve Hilditch was Irish ??

edit - actually it was in April

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/mediazone/news/newsid=2042427.html#match+official+appointments+rwc+2011

"The appointments were made by the IRB's Match Official Selection Committee chaired by IRB Council Member David Pickering. "

 

[Scarfman]

If you think it's related to your cycloptic little video you more deluded than I thought.

Cycloptic little video with 60,000 hits, thank you very much.

 

[kiap]

Nope from the IRB press release back in June I think

"....Why do I suggest this? .... Steve Hilditch isn't Irish.... "

I never said Steve Hilditch was Irish ??

edit - actually it was in April

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/mediazone/news/newsid=2042427.html#match+official+appointments+rwc+2011

"The appointments were made by the IRB's Match Official Selection Committee chaired by IRB Council Member David Pickering. "

Woops. Sorry, Bro.

And he actually is Irish too.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

People who think Paddy O'Brien is hands off and has nothing to do with referees selection are kidding. He runs the high performance referees program, coordinates the performance reviews and presents to the selection committee. He's central to the process. "We stand behind the ten that we select."

So basically we can find a way to blame him for anything that happens inside the IRB referee's panel?

You've quoted me saying that it is hard to blame him for this particular decision. And considering there is a whole panel doing selections that he isn't even on, I still think it is... I don't deny he might advise them on anything they might ask for. But if the panel want someone that he doesn't, they are going to get the final word. People enjoy blaming Paddy for everything, just like people always whinge about Julia Gillard for all their life problems.

If Paddy personally made sure that Mark Lawrence didn't go to the world cup despite the rest of the IRB wanting him to go. Sure, i'll join in criticizing him. If not, we just need to move on.

 

[Dan54]

So basically we can find a way to blame him for anything that happens inside the IRB referee's panel?

You've quoted me saying that it is hard to blame him for this particular decision. And considering there is a whole panel doing selections that he isn't even on, I still think it is... I don't deny he might advise them on anything they might ask for. But if the panel want someone that he doesn't, they are going to get the final word. People enjoy blaming Paddy for everything, just like people always whinge about Julia Gillard for all their life problems.

If Paddy personally made sure that Mark Lawrence didn't go to the world cup despite the rest of the IRB wanting him to go. Sure, i'll join in criticizing him. If not, we just need to move on.

Geez we can't have such sense being shown in an internet forum,.how else can all the haters take out their frustration???? lol, The other thing you have to rember POPB is a kiwi, so according to a lot of the people in here ,he must be the one to blame.

 

[Bowside]

Geez we can't have such sense being shown in an internet forum,.how else can all the haters take out their frustration???? lol, The other thing you have to rember POPB is a kiwi, so according to a lot of the people in here ,he must be the one to blame.

Its not because he's a kiwi, its because he's doing a bit of a shit job at the moment.

???? lol

 

[kiap]

So basically we can find a way to blame him for anything that happens inside the IRB referee's panel?

You've quoted me saying that it is hard to blame him for this particular decision. And considering there is a whole panel doing selections that he isn't even on, I still think it is... I don't deny he might advise them on anything they might ask for. But if the panel want someone that he doesn't, they are going to get the final word. People enjoy blaming Paddy for everything, just like people always whinge about Julia Gillard for all their life problems.

If Paddy personally made sure that Mark Lawrence didn't go to the world cup despite the rest of the IRB wanting him to go. Sure, i'll join in criticizing him. If not, we just need to move on.

You claimed people were clutching at straws when trying to connect POB to Mark Lawrence not being selected for the WC. Mark Lawrence refutes that and Paddy owns it by his own words.

The committee work with Paddy to select the refereeing panel.

It's a straw man to contest the rest of the IRB wanting him to go (there's your straws). The politics don't work that way and it's about as relevant as Julia Gillard is to your claim.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

I just don't understand in the slightest why we need to single out POB. How does he cop the blame? Just because he said "we are picking the best referees" in a video where he is representing the IRB referee's panel doesn't mean he is choosing the refs.

The committee work with Paddy to select the refereeing panel.

Yes, yes he does. But at the end of the day the selection panel choose the refs. If I was going to blame someone for not picking Lawrence, it would be them.

 

[Top Bloke]

Enough already - OK POB's to blame for everything. He stole that bitches baby as well.

 

[Beefcake]

Wish Lawrence would convince Kaplan to follow suit....

 

[kiap]

Bru, at least you are acknowledging he is not hands off in the appointments.

Believe me, Paddy has a big role in the selections. It's the way it works out.

 

[Bruwheresmycar]

Yea sorry for dragging that on. It is a pretty silly argument. If the IRB were more transparent we wouldn't be having these discussions because the facts would be clear. That is one thing that annoys me.

 

[kiap]

That's cool. - Anyway, in all that I haven't made any reference to Lawrence's actual retirement from tests. He is a very good ref with more good years in him so I'm happy to see him continuing in Soup Rugby.

Good to see he'll be involved in referees coaching and clinics as well, and won't be lost the game.

 

[PaarlBok]

Gets the CC final this weekend:
The appointments for the three Finals

Currie Cup

Golden Lions vs Sharks
Referee: Mark Lawrence
Reserve referee: Marius Jonker
Assistant referees: Stefan Breytenbach
Television match official: Johann Meuwesen
Timekeeper: Kat Swanepoel

Under-21

Blue Bulls vs Sharks
Referee: Quinton Immelman
Assistant referees: Rasta Rashivenga, Cobus Wessels
Television match official: Gerrie Coetzee
Timekeeper: Kat Swanepoel

Under-19

Golden Lions vs Blue Bulls
Referee: Rasta Rashivenga
Assistant referees: Tiaan Jonker, Reuben Rossouw
Television match official: JC Fortuin
Timekeeper: Kat Swanepoel

 

[Nusadan]

Busy fellow, that Kat the time keeper eh?

 

[lincoln]

Excellent game from Mark - beggars belief that he was not considered in the same class as some of the muppets at the World Cup.