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MacQueen turned the Wallabies around in one pre-season

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I've been reading Rod MacQueen's book, "One Step Ahead", and got to thinking about the ways he transformed the Wallabies in basically one pre-season in 1998. The situation was remarkably similar to the one we're in now: the All Blacks had beaten us seven times in a row, achieving whitewashes in 1995, 1996 and 1997. MacQueen inherited the side shortly before the end of year tour in 1997 and basically discovered that the squad had no self-belief. Sounds very familiar.

Yet in 1998 he turned it around. We beat the All Blacks 3-zip. It seemed to come from nowhere.

These are some of the things he did differently:

1. Better fitness program.
2. Clear style of play (continuity, backs playing like forwards, forwards catching and passing, etc, but the important thing was the team knew what they were aiming for).
3. Public unity between himself and John Eales.
4. Giving ownership of onfield and off-field decisions to the playing group (not just the captain).
5. A high level of off-field daily organisation.
6. Pride in the history and culture of the Wallabies (e.g. former Wallabies handing out jersies before Tests)
7. Selecting players for positions, not positions for players (e.g. identifying Larkham's skill at evading tacklers in tight quarters, putting him at 10).

Looking at this season alone, I think Robbie falls down in most of these areas.

1. Fitness program. We have been less fit than the All Blacks. They consistently win momentum in the last 20 minutes of Tests against us. Don't blame the short turnaround between Super 14 and Test rugby, because the Cartel had the same time to work with.

2. Clear style of play. It does seem to be very clear to the players how they should be playing, so a tick here.

3. Public unity between Deans and Elsom. There's no open dissent but I don't get the feeling they are tightly bonded either. The body language of Elsom at press conferences suggests he doesn't recognise his coach's input into the side, and is leading the team on his own. Graham Henry, by contrast, heaps praise on his captain frequently.

4. Ownership of decisions to the players. It seems pretty clear that Rocky gets a big say in how the team does things. But do the other players? I wonder if the re-starts and attack realignment issues we've had this season would be fixed if individual Wallabies were given final responsibility for them.

5. Off-field discipline and organisation seem fine.

6. Pride in the history and culture of the Wallabies. I haven't noticed anything in the Deans era to cultivate this aspect of team performance. Graham Henry oversaw the creation of new forms of the haka ffs, and look how proud his players have been in their performance. Causal link? I think so.

7. Selection. There have been some successes, including Beale at fullback and McCalman at 8. But Robbie continued to select Richard Brown at 8 when the poor guy just didn't have the leg drive for that position. Robbie picked Matt Giteau to be flyhalf for two Bledisloe Tests, and the result was predictable attack because Giteau can't and never has been able to play at the line, unlike Barnes or even Beale. James O'Connor on the wing never worked, whereas Turner did and McCabe probably would have.

On balance, Robbie's coaching has been poor this season (again). I suspect Robbie is a very good assistant coach, as he has made a definite difference to the skills of our backs and forwards, and seems to have personally turned Will Genia and Quade Cooper into the quality players they are now.

But he is not a head coach's arsehole. Somebody ran the show brilliantly at the Crusaders, and may still be there. I don't think it was Robbie.
 

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Mark Ella (57)
I haven't read Macqueen's book, but I have read Eale's biography by Fitzsimons. According to Eales in that book the early part of Macqueens tenure was not smooth and he even considered resigning the job after the disasterous start to the EOYT in Argentina. There were some very heated clashes with Eales and at one point Macqueen walked out on Eales and Gregan after the loss to Argentina where the two Captains wanted to discuss "housekeeping" matters like accomodation and match payments not long after the loss.

Apparently Macqueen questioned whether these "professional" players had the proper motivation required to win.

Yes some very strong similarities to what we are seeing now. Unfortunately I don't see another Captain like Eales in Elsom and after the the EOYT last year I began to question Deans management abilities and that view has only strengthened this year.
 

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Tim Horan (67)
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As for fitness, it was one of the very first things Deans found lacking.
 

Bruce Ross

Ken Catchpole (46)
As for fitness, it was one of the very first things Deans found lacking.

And so, having misdiagnosed the problem, he and his strength and conditioning coach proceeded to create a situation where in the last ten Trans-Tasman Tests the Wallabies have lost every second half and every match.

So what are they now going to do about fitness? They've already loaded the players up with GPS trackers.

Richard Graham may well have been speaking on behalf of the whole coaching team.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
A lot of things can happen in 10 years, and history can sometimes be very selective with rose coloured glasses.

The world was a completely different place 10 years ago.

The best way to judge MacQueen contemporaneously may be to see how he goes with the Rebels as a start up franchise.
 

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John Eales (66)
I've read both MacQueen's and Eales' books and yes the start was rocky, but they worked it out and became a formidable combination. MacQueen's book was like reading a textbook on building a successful team in nearly any endeavour. It's very, very illuminating.
 
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I haven't read Macqueen's book, but I have read Eale's biography by Fitzsimons. According to Eales in that book the early part of Macqueens tenure was not smooth and he even considered resigning the job after the disasterous start to the EOYT in Argentina. There were some very heated clashes with Eales and at one point Macqueen walked out on Eales and Gregan after the loss to Argentina where the two Captains wanted to discuss "housekeeping" matters like accomodation and match payments not long after the loss.

Apparently Macqueen questioned whether these "professional" players had the proper motivation required to win.

Yes some very strong similarities to what we are seeing now. Unfortunately I don't see another Captain like Eales in Elsom and after the the EOYT last year I began to question Deans management abilities and that view has only strengthened this year.

Yeah, that's all mentioned too in Rod's book, although he doesn't out Eales and Gregan, just "two senior Wallabies" who didn't seem to mind losing Test matches.

It doesn't affect the point I'm making. In his first mini pre-season before the 1998 Test campaign, Rod transformed the team into an 80% winning machine and demolished the All Black bogey.

In other words, there are basic strategies for changing a team into a success, and Robbie isn't employing them.
 
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As for fitness, it was one of the very first things Deans found lacking.

Why has he still not addressed it? Either he doesn't prioritise it, or he doesn't know how to get it done in the limited time. The Cartel seem to manage.
 
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Mark Ella (57)
I've read both MacQueen's and Eales' books and yes the start was rocky, but they worked it out and became a formidable combination. MacQueen's book was like reading a textbook on building a successful team in nearly any endeavour. It's very, very illuminating.

Yes Hornet I think that was the point of the OP. Do you think Deans can emulate Macqueen and Elsom - Eales in overcoming what appear to be very similar issues. Given Macqueen was able to achieve the turnaround in less time than Deans its not looking good.

In defence of Deans Macqueen didn't have to deal with the massive changes to Laws and interpretations that we have had over the last three years on top of disfunctional systems of previous administrations.
 
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A lot of things can happen in 10 years, and history can sometimes be very selective with rose coloured glasses.

The world was a completely different place 10 years ago.

The best way to judge MacQueen contemporaneously may be to see how he goes with the Rebels as a start up franchise.

I'd agree with you, except that the strategies MacQueen used have been successfully copied by every winning coach I can think of in 2010. The Cartel do it all. Ewen McKenzie did it all with the Reds.

I'm not saying that the rugby tactics used by the 1998 Wallabies would succeed today. But I don't think the basics of coaching have changed.
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Ewen McKenzie made the point on Ruggamatrix that big improvements can be achieved quickly if the coach can pin point the big/fundamental issues and improve them. This is true of other fields of endeavour too.

Perfection, on the other hand, can takes much longer.
 

jay-c

Ron Walden (29)
macqueen was without doubt our best coach however he set his team up for a few years of sucess> he retired because he believed he could take his team to a peak over the wc cycle. after he finished eddie was able to squeeze the gold until it famously imploded. i think the brilliance of some players like gregan larkham vickerman smith latham etc covered up for how bad the wallabies had really become underneath them. I have definatly seen development in deans' team over the years and i believe he is setting australia up for a golden age that will last closer to 7-8 years. it is this development that fuels my belief that we are on the right track~
 

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John Eales (66)
Ewen McKenzie made the point on Ruggamatrix that big improvements can be achieved quickly if the coach can pin point the big/fundamental issues and improve them. This is true of other fields of endeavour too.

Perfection, on the other hand, can takes much longer.

Without question, yes. Any good manager/coach who is able to identify root causes and address them will be successful. Whether or not Deans has been able to do this only time will tell, though I will say that it's not looking brilliant right now.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Yes Hornet I think that was the point of the OP. Do you think Deans can emulate Macqueen and Elsom - Eales in overcoming what appear to be very similar issues. Given Macqueen was able to achieve the turnaround in less time than Deans its not looking good.

In defence of Deans Macqueen didn't have to deal with the massive changes to Laws and interpretations that we have had over the last three years on top of disfunctional systems of previous administrations.

Mmmm, I'm not sure we have the right combination. I was a fan of the selection of Rocky as captain, but I don't think it has actually worked that well. We need someone, for a lack of a better term, more cerebral in the captaincy. A calm head, able to communicate with the players, coaches and referees. We had that in Morts, but unfortunately his form and fitness could no longer warrant selection.

I would say that MacQueen's task was easily as difficult, because he took over from the nadir that was Greg Smith's (RIP) tenure and an ARU that was still coming to grips with professionalism.
 

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Tony Shaw (54)
And so, having misdiagnosed the problem, he and his strength and conditioning coach proceeded to create a situation where in the last ten Trans-Tasman Tests the Wallabies have lost every second half and every match.

So what are they now going to do about fitness? They've already loaded the players up with GPS trackers.

Richard Graham may well have been speaking on behalf of the whole coaching team.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

This is probably a real dumb question but do we have a strength and conditioning coach? Is that the Skills coach (Graham) or someone else.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Last year we couldn't score a try against the ABs, but our pigs started to turn around.

This year the injuries in the pigs has highlighted the thin veneer of that improvement and we have struggled in the forwards, but we are scoring tries again - and good ones.

If, we get our front row back and humming I do think we can be very effective.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Link McKenzie also made huge improvements to the Waratahs in his first season. To them to Argentina, hardened up a pack of total softcock chokers. The Tahs have been near the top of the heap ever since.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
3. Public unity between Deans and Elsom. There's no open dissent but I don't get the feeling they are tightly bonded either. The body language of Elsom at press conferences suggests he doesn't recognise his coach's input into the side, and is leading the team on his own. Graham Henry, by contrast, heaps praise on his captain frequently.

Wouldn't you if your captain won you almost 100% of the games that were in the balance? There is no way that NZ would have won 10 in a row vs the Wallabies without McCaw at the helm.

Elsom is a mere shadow of McCaw as a captain. Pocock is the only one I can see coming close at this stage. I also think Sharpe is a better captain than Elsom, and that Horwill, TPN and Genia have potential.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
Macqueen had a large experienced player base with many regarded as the best in the world. A large portion had won a World Cup. Most of Deans players have never even played in a World Cup. Macqueen had to build a winning culture while Deans has had to build both a player base and a winning culture. This was the year to tie the work of the last two years together but Deans suffered a unfortunate little injury crisis that was hardly his fault. In the face of that, we still managed to move forward though not as far as hoped.
 
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