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Jason Little (69)
It's not the playing style I was lamenting, but the apparently fairly widely held belief (sentiment) that the Wallabies cannot be coached by a foreign coach.
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It's not the playing style I was lamenting, but the apparently fairly widely held belief (sentiment) that the Wallabies cannot be coached by a foreign coach.
I think this is the sort of statistic that puts this argument into perspective.
People are unhappy about a 60% win record and expect better. The reality is that against the opposition we play, 60% is probably a par score that will see us ranked 2nd or 3rd in the world.
Years in which we win The Rugby Championship and/or Bledisloe Cup are the ones where we will be pushing over 70%.
When and if we produce our next great team who can win a Rugby World Cup etc. we're potentially looking at a team that might have a 75% win record over a couple of years.
60% would be a crap record if test rugby was like Super Rugby and you got to play everyone else. Instead the only games you could say are 'easy' on a relative basis would be the average incoming June test series (i.e. a non Lions year), 2 games against Argentina, a home game against South Africa and our end of year tour game against Italy or Scotland based on current rankings.
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So you've just said approximately 50% of our games could be considered easy... So essentially if we won all our easy games and half of the time managed to win the hard ones our win rate would be around the 75% mark. It's not unrealistic... Unless you are resigned to accepting mediocrity.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Based on information received this morning: if Deans goes there will either be a stoush at board level or White will get the job.
I cannot predict whether the board has the stomach for a stoush so this is probably in the realm of a motherhood statement.
I cannot predict whether the board has the stomach for a stoush so this is probably in the realm of a motherhood statement.
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David Codey (61)
If you won 50% of the games you played against the best team in the world (AB's), then you would also be the best team in the world wouldn't you?
You realy think being equal to the best team in the world every year should be "par"?
You realy think being equal to the best team in the world every year should be "par"?
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Yes. But I'm not happy just being mediocre.
I guess, how can we hope to be better than SA and NZ when our provincial teams struggle to compete with them... Oh hang on, no they don't. It's only when we compile our best talent under Deans that we have this issue. I have excluded the previous coaches from that statement as he is the first coach to have equal Super Rugby teams as the other Sanzar nations to choose from.
Easy on a relative scale based on all our games for the year.
I don't think any game against the Springboks is ever easy nor is a game against Argentina in Argentina.
These are just the games we will start favourites in and will be expecting to win.
By the same token that you hope to win a couple of games you're not expected to win, you can just as easily drop games you're favourite to win.
I agree that a 75% win rate isn't unrealistic, but it represents being the number team in the world.
It becomes hard to quantify properly how the Wallabies are doing if 60% is considered accepting mediocrity (which will mean 2nd or 3rd ranked in the world).
Surely there are more shades of grey than mediocre or number one side in the world.
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John Thornett (49)
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I need to verify this again but I am pretty sure that the Wallabies didn't break 70% in any singular year under Deans. Think that figure does a bit of talking when you consider that it's 2013 and he has had the team since 2008. Australia doesn't produce the kind of depth SA/NZ does but our top talent is just as good as theirs. So on those grounds you could excuse 2012 but little else.
Will look up and post win % by the year in the morning - posting from mobile.
I need to verify this again but I am pretty sure that the Wallabies didn't break 70% in any singular year under Deans. Think that figure does a bit of talking when you consider that it's 2013 and he has had the team since 2008. Australia doesn't produce the kind of depth SA/NZ does but our top talent is just as good as theirs. So on those grounds you could excuse 2012 but little else.
Will look up and post win % by the year in the morning - posting from mobile.
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Ron Walden (29)
well i think deans has done some fantastic things for australia
but i said id reserve judgement until after the series
and just like a coach would drop an under-performing player, the deans as coach decision must be ultimately judged on results.
I think the time is right for an australian to be head coach
It is mckenzies ability to alter game plans, beat every team in the comp and importantly consistently beat nz teams which places me in his corner.
Australian rugby is well served by jake white continuing his contract at the brumbies and we see them develop into a super power once more
but i said id reserve judgement until after the series
and just like a coach would drop an under-performing player, the deans as coach decision must be ultimately judged on results.
I think the time is right for an australian to be head coach
It is mckenzies ability to alter game plans, beat every team in the comp and importantly consistently beat nz teams which places me in his corner.
Australian rugby is well served by jake white continuing his contract at the brumbies and we see them develop into a super power once more
I think either White or McKenzie can play different styles. The real key is assessing the players at their disposal and coming up with plans that they can implement. I think that is where Deans has really had trouble over the years - not just coming up with a plan, but one that suits the players he is picking. In another context (but similar and full disclosure that I am a St George fan in League), what amazed me when Wayne Bennett came into St George was that he crafted a game plan to win a Grand Final based on the talents at his disposal. I think the fact that McKenzie has managed to get the best out of QC (Quade Cooper) in the past speaks volumes about his ability to tailor plans to the players he has. And the development of guys like To'omua and Lealifano and Mogg says the same about White - harnessing the talents of the players that they have.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
Thanks for the response but didn't really need the name calling.
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Geoff Shaw (53)
I would suggest that they do actually.
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If you base your view on oft quoted opinions with no stats to back it up you can come to that conclusion.
Well 2 out of the top 6 with the third equal 8th teams suggests it's a reasonably even spread. At best the Chiefs could finish 7 points ahead of the Brumbies. Possibly 2 points ahead.
Each country has one dud team. The Highlanders, Kings and the Force are all relatively even in the race for the bottom. It's only the 4th place team where Australia are considerably below SA and NZ.
To say that any team was considerably below would be completely biased and based on opinion, not facts and results.
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Alan Cameron (40)
not that I advocate Alan Jones throwing his hat in the ring, but is there any credible third choice?
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
A brief look at Super Rugby this year........
Aus 11 v NZ 8
There's only one more Aus v NZ match to play with the Rebels v Highlanders.......
3 of those losses alone are attributed to the Rebels......
A lot of close matches too........
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