Lions Tour 2025

[Dan54]

I think the intention was to troll the Lions and their fans.

Yep, but I surprised it something that Force would have been happy about. It maybe just a troll, but certainly leaves it open to plenty of shit to come back for any team that has overseas born players. I just not keen on ground announcers doing this shit, because you then have trouble drawing a line?

 

[The Ghost of Raelene]

I don't think of the playing groups could give two shits and if some red faced fella in a touring party feels upset by it that's just funny.

Bit of spice in these tours can be fun. This is the Lions and it's still only getting a marginal bump in coverage.

 

[Dctarget]

They know it's fishy by how much they protest about it and claim we're being racist lol.

The easiest way to show they're idiotic is if Corey Toole nominated to play for Scotland through his Scottish grandma next week, Lions then call him up and he plays against Wallabies in 3 weeks. Obviously he's not fkn British/Irish and it's a pisstake. Clearly the laws can be manipulated and we're allowed to have the conversation.

They're uncomfortable so they claim we're racist. It's easier than agreeing that it's nuanced and each situation is contextual and not black/white.

 

[Dan54]

Surely the point is not what we as plebs think, I think if you get announcers doing this you are asking for trouble. Where do you draw the line. Do the announcers at Sydney say where the ABs are born etc? Does the Eden Park announcer do same for Wallabies? Once you open these doors it hard to close them. Ground announcers should just announce teams, try scorers etc, and then shut up. Next they will start getting into refs, and individual players! And once it's accepted who then decides what is allowed and not. As I say imagine if announcer in NZ did similar with Wallaby players etc, I would be as pissed of (or probably more) than you fellas.

 

[Wilson]

Surely the point is not what we as plebs think, I think if you get announcers doing this you are asking for trouble. Where do you draw the line. Do the announcers at Sydney say where the ABs are born etc? Does the Eden Park announcer do same for Wallabies? Once you open these doors it hard to close them. Ground announcers should just announce teams, try scorers etc, and then shut up. Next they will start getting into refs, and individual players! And once it's accepted who then decides what is allowed and not. As I say imagine if announcer in NZ did similar with Wallaby players etc, I would be as pissed of (or probably more) than you fellas.

This is a wholly false equivalence, and there's nothing to suggest a one off bit of cheek from the Western Force's announcer is any sort of slippery slope. The whole reason for needling the Lions about this is the fact that their own people and pundits have been wringing their hands over it. That's why it has struck a chord with them, because of their own internal dysfunction on the issue.

 

[Braveheart81]

Surely the point is not what we as plebs think, I think if you get announcers doing this you are asking for trouble. Where do you draw the line. Do the announcers at Sydney say where the ABs are born etc? Does the Eden Park announcer do same for Wallabies? Once you open these doors it hard to close them. Ground announcers should just announce teams, try scorers etc, and then shut up. Next they will start getting into refs, and individual players! And once it's accepted who then decides what is allowed and not. As I say imagine if announcer in NZ did similar with Wallaby players etc, I would be as pissed of (or probably more) than you fellas.

When you were younger did your mates get an announcement made over the PA system that could Dan54 please come to Gate A, your parents are here to pick you up?

I can see why you're worried about the ground announcer getting involved in some shenanigans.

 

[Dan54]

When you were younger did your mates get an announcement made over the PA system that could Dan54 please come to Gate A, your parents are here to pick you up?

I can see why you're worried about the ground announcer getting involved in some shenanigans.

No me parents never had a car to pick me up.

Ok fair enough fellas, just remember if it get's to what we don't like, once you say it's ok, you then got to live with what happens.

 

[Tomikin]

Surely the point is not what we as plebs think, I think if you get announcers doing this you are asking for trouble. Where do you draw the line. Do the announcers at Sydney say where the ABs are born etc? Does the Eden Park announcer do same for Wallabies? Once you open these doors it hard to close them. Ground announcers should just announce teams, try scorers etc, and then shut up. Next they will start getting into refs, and individual players! And once it's accepted who then decides what is allowed and not. As I say imagine if announcer in NZ did similar with Wallaby players etc, I would be as pissed of (or probably more) than you fellas.

ahhh god your a wet fish, this is the Lion's its a joyous tour, with Banter.. should the Lion's not sing there songs, and give as good as they get. We don't do it to NZ or SA or England Ireland Wales, but its the Lion's and its a massive tour, with 30k travelling fan's.

Get over it, it was funny, it made people stand up and talk about the tour... No one's being racist, none of the players care, and the guy alluding to Tuipulotu actually giving a fuck, he doesn't and probably laugh's about it later, or thinks its lame.

 

[JRugby2]

They know it's fishy by how much they protest about it and claim we're being racist lol.

The easiest way to show they're idiotic is if Corey Toole nominated to play for Scotland through his Scottish grandma next week, Lions then call him up and he plays against Wallabies in 3 weeks. Obviously he's not fkn British/Irish and it's a pisstake. Clearly the laws can be manipulated and we're allowed to have the conversation.

They're uncomfortable so they claim we're racist. It's easier than agreeing that it's nuanced and each situation is contextual and not black/white.

Are they claiming we're racist? Which journo is reporting this?

 

[Dan54]

It's in no way racist. Just a question , how about Aidan Ross playing for Qld without ever even playing a club game there? Or is that different? Born in Sydney, grew up and learnt all his rugby in NZ and now representing Qld.

 

[Wilson]

It's in no way racist. Just a question , how about Aidan Ross playing for Qld without ever even playing a club game there? Or is that different? Born in Sydney, grew up and learnt all his rugby in NZ and now representing Qld.

What are you talking about Dan? The Reds literally list previous junior affiliations on their official team announcements. This is Ross':

This also often includes the announcer mentioning their junior club or school when they run out (it changes a bit week to week, usually based on round themes)

 

[JRugby2]

It's in no way racist. Just a question , how about Aidan Ross playing for Qld without ever even playing a club game there? Or is that different? Born in Sydney, grew up and learnt all his rugby in NZ and now representing Qld.

Look mate I genuinely agree with you that these guys don't and shouldn't have a case to answer for in whether they should be playing for Lions - and there are several cases inside the Wallabies of foreign born players so we should be very careful throwing stones inside our very fragile glass house.

But please stop with this line - it's nonsensical.

There is no equivalence to be made between domestic players in a domestic team and representing a country.

 

[Tomikin]

It's in no way racist. Just a question , how about Aidan Ross playing for Qld without ever even playing a club game there? Or is that different?

If he played for Australia, it would probably be a bit much, but I mean the Reds are a club team, Who can pick players from anywhere in the world..

Do you not see that Ozzie clubs, put what school the players played at in the match fixtures? And Shock horror, they put there NZ, SA, English or whatever school.

I have no problems with them playing for the Lions, like I have no problem with the ribbing, and Im sure they don't either.... the only people upset are the English media, and you Dan a kiwi with some god complex...

P.S., Skelton plays in France for a club, is a Wallaby born in NZ from Samoan parents. Im sure if they said to him, and a Kiwi playing for Australia, no one would give a crap..

 

[Dan54]

If he played for Australia, it would probably be a bit much, but I mean the Reds are a club team, Who can pick players from anywhere in the world..

Do you not see that Ozzie clubs, put what school the players played at in the match fixtures? And Shock horror, they put there NZ, SA, English or whatever school.

I have no problems with them playing for the Lions, like I have no problem with the ribbing, and Im sure they don't either.... the only people upset are the English media, and you Dan a kiwi with some god complex...

P.S., Skelton plays in France for a club, is a Wallaby born in NZ from Samoan parents. Im sure if they said to him, and a Kiwi playing for Australia, no one would give a crap..

Nothing about playing god, just there is a difference between ribbing and announcers doing it. Obviously some are taking offence that's what started this conversation.

 

[JRugby2]

If he played for Australia, it would probably be a bit much, but I mean the Reds are a club team, Who can pick players from anywhere in the world..

Do you not see that Ozzie clubs, put what school the players played at in the match fixtures? And Shock horror, they put there NZ, SA, English or whatever school.

I have no problems with them playing for the Lions, like I have no problem with the ribbing, and Im sure they don't either.... the only people upset are the English media, and you Dan a kiwi with some god complex...

P.S., Skelton plays in France for a club, is a Wallaby born in NZ from Samoan parents. Im sure if they said to him, and a Kiwi playing for Australia, no one would give a crap..

Plenty in the public across the board and across global rugby media have an opinion on it, which to reiterate Wilsons point - is exactly why the ground announcer's ribbing has struck a cord.

There isn't a singular view within the world as to what is right and wrong. There is internal turmoil on the issue and so it's a point of weakness.

TBH if a ground announcer said it about Skelton you'd likely learn just how fragile our own rugby media/ fandom can be.

 

[Adam84]

Nothing about playing god, just there is a difference between ribbing and announcers doing it. Obviously some are taking offence that's what started this conversation.

i'm confused what the conversation is

 

[Dan54]

i'm confused what the conversation is

About whether announcers should stir the pot so to speak. No probs with crowds ribbing (although I strongly disliked when kiwis had the boo Quade thing, even though some thought they were funny) but just personally I think the announcers should perhaps not.
But fair enough most think it good , so no probs really.

 

[JRugby2]

About whether announcers should stir the pot so to speak. No probs with crowds ribbing (although I strongly disliked when kiwis had the boo Quade thing, even though some thought they were funny) but just personally I think the announcers should perhaps not.
But fair enough most think it good , so no probs really.

I think this firmly falls into the home-ground advantage category. Similar to how broadcasters conveniently won't replay obvious knock ons for the home country but will happily replay them several times in excruciatingly slow motion if the away team does it.


Ground announcers job is get the home team fans up and about and this was low hanging fruit.

 

[Adam84]

storm in a teacup, honestly

Next we will be criticising the grounds for playing music or announcers celebrating home players too much when they read out the lineup

One could argue that slitting the throat as part of the haka is 'stirring the pot' so to speak

 

[Tomikin]

storm in a teacup, honestly

Next we will be criticising the grounds for playing music or announcers celebrating home players too much when they read out the lineup

One could argue that slitting the throat as part of the haka is 'stirring the pot' so to speak

Or the haka at all..