Leicester Stun Boks

[Ishmael]

Exactly Hugonaut. That's what is so annoying. The players are back in SA.

Blaauw, WP Nel, Adriaan Strauss. Potgieter, Juries. List goes on.

Ishmael:

Rose puts through one chip and suddenly he is a good player?

Potgieter was on the field last night was he not? Or are you referring to a different one?

Also, Rose didn't just put through one chip. He was solid under the high ball all night and looked like one of the few Boks who could challenge the Leicester line. Did you really think he had a poor or even average game compared with the rest of the side?

 

[Pfitzy]

Amorosino ... mazy run during which he outpaced the Boksto score under the posts.

Bloody hell! He must be quick because one thing the Boks aren't short on is fast men.

 

[Epi]

To be honest Boet I think thats the bad thing about the NH game. To many foreigners in the club game. Look like Leicester is stronger then England just for that reason. Think its killing the international teams up north.

On the contrary - it helps the national team because the local players who do get a run get exposed to a higher standard of football every week. The coach of Toulouse was talking about it in the paper some time ago.

The same debate comes up in soccer all the time...

 

[Blue]

Exactly Hugonaut. That's what is so annoying. The players are back in SA.

Blaauw, WP Nel, Adriaan Strauss. Potgieter, Juries. List goes on.

Ishmael:

Rose puts through one chip and suddenly he is a good player?

Potgieter was on the field last night was he not? Or are you referring to a different one?

Also, Rose didn't just put through one chip. He was solid under the high ball all night and looked like one of the few Boks who could challenge the Leicester line. Did you really think he had a poor or even average game compared with the rest of the side?

Potgieter - JL = Cheetahs first five

 

[PaarlBok]

To be honest Boet I think thats the bad thing about the NH game. To many foreigners in the club game. Look like Leicester is stronger then England just for that reason. Think its killing the international teams up north.

On the contrary - it helps the national team because the local players who do get a run get exposed to a higher standard of football every week. The coach of Toulouse was talking about it in the paper some time ago.

The same debate comes up in soccer all the time...

Well its bad for your rugby if you gothe poofball route. Think its bad for developing young talent, maybe one or two and I'll bet you the Leicester front row is much much better then the Pom one we saw over the weekend.

 

[Biffo]

I'll bet you the Leicester front row is much much better then the Pom one we saw over the weekend.

It must be.

The Australian front row is total crap but managed to beat the pom front row. Therefore, pom front row v Australia was worse than total crap.

Leicester front row worked over the world's second best front row and must therefore be among the top 5-21 on the planet.

It follows that the Leicester front row MUST be better than the pom front row.

 

[PaarlBok]

No Boet you are trying to make up your own mind and should know me better by now. I am not one of those written off the Wablies scrum in the past , I gave them a lot of credit after they wobble the Bokke in Brisbane.

You obvious havent watch the Leicester match and should before you start jumping the gun here. They had a Argie and Italiano fatties and a Welsch hooker, just to bring you in the picture.

 

[Biffo]

No Boet you are trying to make up your own mind and should know me better by now. I am not one of those written off the Wablies scrum in the past , I gave them a lot of credit after they wobble the Bokke in Brisbane.

You obvious havent watch the Leicester match and should before you start jumping the gun here. They had a Argie and Italiano fatties and a Welsch hooker, just to bring you in the picture.

Just a friendly pull of your leg, Mate

I didn't see Friday's game but I have seen the first choice Leicester front row, over entire games, at least five times this season. They are good provinically (there's that word again!! ), but would not threaten a reasonable quality international set, even thought they get far more practice together.

 

[PaarlBok]

I'd be surprise if the two fatties arent internationals for their country.

 

[Biffo]

I'd be surprise if the two fatties arent internationals for their country.

That don't mean a thing. Evidence? John Smit is THP for RSA.

 

[PaarlBok]

I didn't see Friday's game but I have seen the first choice Leicester front row, over entire games, at least five times this season. They are good provinically (there's that word again!! ), but would not threaten a reasonable quality international set, even thought they get far more practice together.

Always thought the Argies & Italy have a more then provincial like scrum if I understand you correctly.

 

[Biffo]

I didn't see Friday's game but I have seen the first choice Leicester front row, over entire games, at least five times this season. They are good provinically (there's that word again!! ), but would not threaten a reasonable quality international set, even thought they get far more practice together.

Always thought the Argies & Italy have a more then provincial like scrum if I understand you correctly.

Put it this way. The Leicester scrum doesn't dominate in the PL.

 

[BillyWebb]

I don't care who was in the frontrow for Leicester.... It's a bloody disgrace to have a Bok team reversing faster than an Italian tank at scrumtime.
Poor selections that completely ignored form. The Cheetah's frontrow should have been there, on merit, and would have had that Leicester scrum for breakfast.

 

[PaarlBok]

Billy Guthro & Jannie Doep played tests in the past. I honestly dont know what went wrong with them. Guthro have gone backwards now for a long time, Jannie wasnt that bad but he sure isnt a dominated TH. They are rare like chicken teeth these days in SA.

 

[BillyWebb]

Paarl, while both Guthro and Janni Doep have played for the Boks in the past, neither of them has remotely looked up to scratch this season. They should never have been picked on form.
The Cheetah frontrow decimated both the Sharks (All Bok frontrow) and Bulls (including Guthro) scrums this year.

 

[PaarlBok]

Paarl, while both Guthro and Janni Doep have played for the Boks in the past, neither of them has remotely looked up to scratch this season. They should never have been picked on form.
The Cheetah frontrow decimated both the Sharks (All Bok frontrow) and Bulls (including Guthro) scrums this year.

Ditto Stormers/WP. WP dominate the Cheetah scrum also in the S14 and CC this year altho never underestimate Os influense on the Cheetah scrum since he took charge.

 

[Lee Grant]

The Leicester front row was 1. Stankovich 2. Davies and 3. Castrogiovanni the Argentine who plays for Italy, whilst the Boks had 1, Steenkamp, 2. Rallepalle (who went off injured early) and 3. Dr. du Plessis.

The first two Tigers mentioned are not household names but THP Castrogiovanni almost single handedly destroyed the Bok scrum until he was taken off to have a spell.

Ashley Johnson the Bok 8 maintained his CCup form and had a blinder. For the Tigers 12 Manu Tuilagi was sensational.

It was a top game and the crowd loved it. This game and the Oz game at Kingsholm may make more clubs try to get into the act of playing SH teams midweek. I'd like to see each of the 3N teams have 3 mid week games next time.

 

[PaarlBok]

It was a top game and the crowd loved it. This game and the Oz game at Kingsholm may make more clubs try to get into the act of playing SH teams midweek. I'd like to see each of the 3N teams have 3 mid week games next time.

Well I for one surely hope so. The loss did hurt but if you can look past that , you'll find a lot of positives for the SH test teams to play just them.

Looking forward to the Sarries clash. Bok van Blerk will sing NKosi (altho Oom Paarl ask him to rather give us "Ons vir jou SA". Will be a hard match for the Bokke and Muir already indicated thats why they pick Sarries & Leicester. They want it to be tough matches.

 

[Blue]

Billy Guthro & Jannie Doep played tests in the past. I honestly dont know what went wrong with them. Guthro have gone backwards now for a long time, Jannie wasnt that bad but he sure isnt a dominated TH. They are rare like chicken teeth these days in SA.

Steenkamp has been woeful for 2 years. Doep has just about held on.

Castrogiovanni is one of the best scrummagers in Europe. The Italian scrum 2 years gave the Boks grief with him in it.

I have posted elsewhere that we have lost our edge in scrums because of a combination of lack of focus and a simple lack of talent coming through.

The good thing to come outr of this is hopefully that it's the end for Steenkamp and Jannie Doep.

 

[Thomond78]

To be honest Boet I think thats the bad thing about the NH game. To many foreigners in the club game. Look like Leicester is stronger then England just for that reason. Think its killing the international teams up north.

On the contrary - it helps the national team because the local players who do get a run get exposed to a higher standard of football every week. The coach of Toulouse was talking about it in the paper some time ago.

The same debate comes up in soccer all the time...

Yes, but that's Guy Noves. He's mad. As far as he's concerned, Stade Toulousain are the national team and his nation stops on the borders of the Gaillac; Castres is just a mandate territory of theirs...