Kurtley Beale

[Scarfman]

It's not so much underplaying or overplaying, it's about your first priority being to create something for your backs. That's what Larkham was all about, and it's why Gits is a natural 12. It's also why O'Gara is among the best 10s in the world, despite being almost comletely immobile.

But I don't want to bash up KB (Kurtley Beale) too badly because the backline organisation at the Tahs is woeful. If Hangers is somehow responsible for getting the boys reforming the line faster, then good on him.

 

[fatprop]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

But the bloke is paid to write stuff in the paper and you are silly enough to read it. I only read the opinions coming from here. At worst, they're equally uninformed.

Would anyone here prefer a coaching staff of Growden and Zavos over fatprop and Noddy? Not me.

Hangers was safe and made just a few mistakes, but he has never looked like being a match winner - ever.

Beale has that potential

What was strange about Fridays games was that it was the first time for weeks we actually got quick ball.

Quick ball meant Burgess could snipe

and Burgess's sniping gave Hanger's much more space than Beale has enjoyed

 

[mark_s]

When I think of Hangers, I think of players like Lachlan McKay, Shaun Berne and Duncan McRae. Good honest players who are stars in club rugby, generally hold their own in super rugby standard, but will never be international standard.

I still think Beale is the future for no. 10 for NSW as atleast he has potential. He is only 20 and he is one of several under performing NSW backs this year. I can't see him going to league - he would be on bread and water for the first season or two moneywise and would probably get injured regularly.

Sop in short I agree with FatProp.

Anyone know what Lee Grant's view of Kurtley's form this year is?

 

[PhucNgo]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

But the bloke is paid to write stuff in the paper and you are silly enough to read it. I only read the opinions coming from here. At worst, they're equally uninformed.

Would anyone here prefer a coaching staff of Growden and Zavos over fatprop and Noddy? Not me.

Its not a theory. They played in this configuration in the second half of the trial against the Brumbies and did pretty well as I recall.

 

[PhucNgo]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

But the bloke is paid to write stuff in the paper and you are silly enough to read it. I only read the opinions coming from here. At worst, they're equally uninformed.

Would anyone here prefer a coaching staff of Growden and Zavos over fatprop and Noddy? Not me.

Hangers was safe and made just a few mistakes, but he has never looked like being a match winner - ever.

Beale has that potential

What was strange about Fridays games was that it was the first time for weeks we actually got quick ball.

Quick ball meant Burgess could snipe

and Burgess's sniping gave Hanger's much more space than Beale has enjoyed

In the previous games against the Brumbies and Crusaders the Waratahs forwards were not evident at the breakdown. Against the Blues you could see a quantum step in urgency and commitment in this area. No surpirses that their were 3 of Hangers' Sydney Uni team mates in the pack on Friday night. :fishing

After Rob Horne scored his try in week 1 against the Canes, I didn't expect to see too much of him for a while because he was going to be the most highly scrutinised player in the S14 during the following week. I'm still looking for Rob Horne. Same is true of Hangers. His try was a result of his trademark show-n-go, which probably wasn't on the video reel the Blues props were watching last week. I don't expect that anyone will fall for it again. FFS they don't even fall for it in the Shute Shield these days.

What other teams will be targetting is his deathly slow style of kicking from hand. I'll expect more than a few charge downs in coming weeks.

As for Zavos comment that Hangers is a better kicker. Well, he was accurate last Friday, but he has a popgun kick compared to Beale (who previously had the "Hewat Hook" and now has the "Burke Bend"). Hangers is probably good for distances up to 40 but after that its hit-and-hope. Beale on the other hand, as he showed in the Brumbies match, can thump the ball pretty hard. His problems at the moment are his low level of self confidence compounded by the pretty-to-watch Burke style he's adopted.

 

[Scarfman]

Beale's kicking is symptomatic of his general play. Heaps of natural talent, but is having difficulty shaping that talent into a more structured form.

You can see him switching back and forth from KB (Kurtley Beale) style, which is "chip and hook", to a Burke-influenced golf swing. Caught between expression and discipline, I suppose.

 

[the gambler]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

But the bloke is paid to write stuff in the paper and you are silly enough to read it. I only read the opinions coming from here. At worst, they're equally uninformed.

Would anyone here prefer a coaching staff of Growden and Zavos over fatprop and Noddy? Not me.

Hangers was safe and made just a few mistakes, but he has never looked like being a match winner - ever.

Beale has that potential

What was strange about Fridays games was that it was the first time for weeks we actually got quick ball.

Quick ball meant Burgess could snipe

and Burgess's sniping gave Hanger's much more space than Beale has enjoyed

In the previous games against the Brumbies and Crusaders the Waratahs forwards were not evident at the breakdown. Against the Blues you could see a quantum step in urgency and commitment in this area. No surpirses that their were 3 of Hangers' Sydney Uni team mates in the pack on Friday night. :fishing

You obviously never made it to Uni. :fishing

While on the Syd Uni mafia theory, why did a number of reports mention that the Tahs were using a 9, 10, 12 Sydney Uni combo? Burgess left Uni after a year of 2nd grade colts and has been at Easts since. Also, as other posters have pointed out, Carter and Hangers have rarely played 10-12 together. How paid journos continually make mistakes like this astounds me. Actually no it doesnt and thats the worst part.

 

[fatprop]

Yep Friday was the first game since the Canes match where the pigs showed urgency as well as dominance.

Quick ball is the key

 

[Pfitzy]

Just going to show that forwards are the ones actually winning games, despite the backs' best collective efforts to fuck it up

 

[naza]

Just going to show that forwards are the ones actually winning games, despite the backs' best collective efforts to fuck it up

:thumb With an "* except for Luke Burgess" appended to that statement.

Beale can fark off to club rugby for a couple of seasons as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how a bloke who can't tackle and can't do anything in attack other than chip kick, can be considered a match winner for anyone other than his opponents.

Flyhalf is a fulcrum position. Like hooker, you want a guy who keeps the fuck ups to a minimum. Beale is a walking clusterfuck. He is talented the same way Frans Steyn is talented. I would have Duncan McRae over current Beale any day of the week. It was heaven to see Halangahu at flyhalf diving onto loose ball on the ground, throwing himself into tackles and refusing to play the kind of Wank ball Kurtley has been churning out. More please !

 

[Pfitzy]

:thumb With an "* except for Luke Burgess" appended to that statement.

:nta: Let's just say "except for the occasionally talented, rugged, knowledgeable person wearing a number 9 jersey who in fact is a frustrated forward trapped in a slightly larger-than-average back's body".

 

[rugbywhisperer]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

Having Beale at 12 would certainly create a lot of try scoring opportunities.Unfortunately not for the tahs though......

For whom??? Certainly not the Tahs

 

[Cutter]

Just going to show that forwards are the ones actually winning games, despite the backs' best collective efforts to fuck it up

:thumb With an "* except for Luke Burgess" appended to that statement.

Beale can fark off to club rugby for a couple of seasons as far as I'm concerned. I don't know how a bloke who can't tackle and can't do anything in attack other than chip kick, can be considered a match winner for anyone other than his opponents.

Flyhalf is a fulcrum position. Like hooker, you want a guy who keeps the fuck ups to a minimum. Beale is a walking clusterfuck. He is talented the same way Frans Steyn is talented. I would have Duncan McRae over current Beale any day of the week. It was heaven to see Halangahu at flyhalf diving onto loose ball on the ground, throwing himself into tackles and refusing to play the kind of Wank ball Kurtley has been churning out. More please !

Tom Carter could probably play 10 and keep the mistakes to a minimum. He's going to give you nothing though. I dont subscribe to the "Beale is the messiah" theory, but he does have potential. I'd have Beale over Carter or McRae. However, I agree that some club rugby would be really good for him. I also agree he needs to show more physical commitment.

 

[Scotty]

For whom??? Certainly not the Tahs

RW,

I don't think you read my original comment in full.

 

[PhucNgo]

10. Hangers 12. Beale is close to the stupidest selection idea I've ever heard. Mind you, I've been wrong about a few things this season.

But the bloke is paid to write stuff in the paper and you are silly enough to read it. I only read the opinions coming from here. At worst, they're equally uninformed.

Would anyone here prefer a coaching staff of Growden and Zavos over fatprop and Noddy? Not me.

Hangers was safe and made just a few mistakes, but he has never looked like being a match winner - ever.

Beale has that potential

What was strange about Fridays games was that it was the first time for weeks we actually got quick ball.

Quick ball meant Burgess could snipe

and Burgess's sniping gave Hanger's much more space than Beale has enjoyed

In the previous games against the Brumbies and Crusaders the Waratahs forwards were not evident at the breakdown. Against the Blues you could see a quantum step in urgency and commitment in this area. No surpirses that their were 3 of Hangers' Sydney Uni team mates in the pack on Friday night. :fishing

You obviously never made it to Uni. :fishing

I do however have a certificate for profishency in English as a second languange. :huxley

 

[mark_s]

Ironically, Beale's move to the bench may be good for his career as people will now realise that the problems are more systemic and they can't be solved by just replacing one player.

I read somewhere there is now talk of moving SNK to 10, I bet he is secretly hoping this doesn't happen.

 

[Scarfman]

Why? He wants to play 10. I hope it's true, of course.