Key Wallaby Players to be Rested and Rotated throughout S15

[Sully]

I am not blaming Deans, but he certainly doesn't appear to be taking any responsibility himself. Putting the pressure on the super clubs deflects it from himself.

See below.

Exactly. Hypocrisy from Deans who played injured players and picked others returning from injury too early. Mitchell the prime example.

Now he expects the provinces to make up for his mistakes?

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[Scotty]

Are we sure the medical staff advising the ARU is up to scratch? Drew Mitchell's surprise run left a few specialists scratching their head when I spoke to them and then he returned back to the game with a snapped tendon that wasn't picked up.

I got an inside word from a player in the squad that said Mitchell wasnt anywhere near fit when he came into the squad and it was a big shock when he was selected in the team. (not necessarily in relation to injury but certainly match fitness).

 

[Scotty]

See below.


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Sorry, should have said 'I am not solely blaming Deans'.

Happy?

 

[Sully]

Sorry, should have said 'I am not solely blaming Deans'.

Happy?

Yes. It doesn't take much to keep me amused

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[BPC]

I find that a bit unreasonable as well, a coach (any pro coach) takes his medical, trainers and the actual players advise.

If a player breaks down again, how is it then purely the coaches fault?

It's not purely the coach's fault but as the head of the coaching structure the buck stops with him and he has to takle some responsibility. Particularly as the medical specialist will not (or should not) say player X is 100%, but rather say he has healed well but these are the risks. The coach will then decide whether to run the risk or not.

 

[louie]

It's interesting, with Cheilka and White coming out quickly and strongly against this and with Link starting his own Academy, how discounected the ARU are from the Super teams.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

The biggest question about this really is whether or not Deans opinon is relevant come next year.

 

[The Rant]

I find that a bit unreasonable as well, a coach (any pro coach) takes his medical, trainers and the actual players advise.
If a player breaks down again, how is it then purely the coaches fault?

True for sure - I went nuts last WC trying to figure out who the fucking clown giving Kurtley the greenlight 3 or 4 games in a row was, when in each of them he limped off due to his Hammy. Ultimately though it's deans who listens to the medical staff and I don't reckon they said 'he's 100%'.

 

[Hawko]

The biggest question about this really is whether or not Deans opinon is relevant come next year.

Damn you Major, keeping my hopes up, just when I was resigning myself to the inevitable.

 

[Slim 293]

Definitely have to side with the Super Rugby teams on this one.........

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...-rotation-policy/story-e6frg7o6-1226516180577

Super storm looms over player rotation policy

• BY:WAYNE SMITH
• From:The Australian
• November 14, 2012 12:00AM

QUEENSLAND Reds coach Ewen McKenzie believes there is a simple and workable alternative to rotating leading Wallabies in and out of Super Rugby teams next season -- train them less.

Wallabies coach Robbie Deans and ARU chairman Michael Hawker both have stated publicly that the five Australian franchises will have to accept a policy of rotating and resting players next season, particularly in the lead-up to the three-Test series against the British and Irish Lions in June.

Their statements, however, have left the Super Rugby franchises bewildered, saying the national body has not raised the rotation issue with them.

As one senior provincial executive told The Australian: "They (the ARU) have presented a plan to us but that plan doesn't ever suggest the players won't be playing."

Rather, the discussions have focused on when players returning from injury will be permitted to play for their provinces -- and who will make that call, Deans or the Super Rugby coaches? -- the management of strength and conditioning programs, training loads and the release of leading players to attend three camps ahead of the Lions series.

"A high-performance program was presented to the clubs a couple of weeks ago," confirmed Brumbies chief executive Andrew Fagan. "At its heart it talked about co-operation. We're happy to work with that. However, our obvious priority is Super Rugby and there has been no agreement about the rotation or resting of players."

The provinces believe the Wallabies' workloads are no heavier than those of Test footballers in Europe and that they owe it to their fans to field their best players.

All five teams -- the Waratahs, Reds, Brumbies, Western Force and Melbourne Rebels -- believe they are running better high-performance programs than the national body and resent being dictated to by the ARU. As one coach put it to the ARU: "You need to trust us. We know what we're doing. "

In particular, the provinces object to being constantly reminded by the ARU of the high injury rate when so many players are breaking down or being injured in training while under the care of the Wallabies.

Stephen Moore, James O'Connor, Sitaleki Timani, Ben Alexander, David Pocock, Saia Fainga'a, Digby Ioane, James Horwill, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Sekope Kepu and Scott Higginbotham are among those injured or re-injured outside of matches while with the Wallabies.

Nor has it escaped the attention of the provinces that Wallabies training sessions regularly extend beyond two hours, thereby increasing the likelihood of injury. Once the Super Rugby season is under way, the provincial teams tend to limit their training to match duration, 80 minutes, and often hold shorter, sharper sessions.

"The best, middle-ground solution is for the Super Rugby teams to stand down our top Wallabies from training one day a week," McKenzie said.

"You do three days of game intensity work before each match. They can miss one of them. They can still be involved in tactical preparation but they won't be fatigued."

At the core of the provinces' concern is that the ARU is jeopardising their financial viability. An example being Queensland, which has given up its Super Rugby bye to play the British and Irish Lions on June 8, two weeks before the first Test, learning only last week that its top-line Wallabies would be withheld from the match.

 

[TSR]

The comparison between the high perfomance units and the training regimes is interesting.

Once again the ARU seems to be coming up short. For all of the talk of the States putting aside political difference for the sake of the game, this is unlikely to happen if the ARU doesn't have it's house in order in every respect.

 

[ChargerWA]

Stephen Moore, James O'Connor, Sitaleki Timani, Ben Alexander, David Pocock, Saia Fainga'a, Digby Ioane, James Horwill, Tatafu Polota-Nau, Sekope Kepu and Scott Higginbotham are among those injured or re-injured outside of matches while with the Wallabies.

Shit, the other provinces need to take cues from the Force? Not a single contracted player on the injury list.


I am trying to figure out if I should laugh or cry

 

[Slim 293]

Shit, the other provinces need to take cues from the Force? Not a single contracted player on the injury list.


I am trying to figure out if I should laugh or cry

It's OK........

You guys contributed to Pocock's injury problems.

 

[mudskipper]

I believe this is a problem made by the ARU! They reduced squad sizes and injuries went up. There is a direct link.

Totally agree... Also Wallabies are playing more games all with a small squad. Wallabies training & touring group needs to grow, more cost but hopefull delivers more consistency

 

[Hawko]

Interesting to see the NZ team selected this week, something like fourteen! changes only three of which were due to injuries. One team understands about rotation, why its needed and how to do it - the other hasn't got a clue.

When we play Italy next week I don't think we could make 14 changes - with all the walking wounded out of contention, I don't think the squad is big enough to have that many.

 

[Sully]

We couldn't have made 14 changes when we started the tour. We took injured players with us.

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[Slim 293]

Jake White with some wise words.........

THE WALLABIES


The Wallabies are in danger of tumbling down the international rankings if they lose to England on Sunday morning.

If they drop outside the top four, they could be faced with a horror draw at the 2015 World Cup.

Deans has called on the Australian Super Rugby coaches to work with him and rest Test stars during the domestic season to ensure they can perform at international level.

White is willing to make that sacrifice if Deans reciprocates.

Deans decided to take an injured David Pocock - the Brumbies' marquee recruit - on the spring tour of Europe and the star flanker suffered another injury while training this week.

''Every decision we make needs to be for the Wallabies to become the best in the world,'' White said.

''Selfishly, we all want to be king of the castle, but if you're honest you really want the union you're coaching in to be the best in the world.

''We have to find a way for the Wallabies to come first and make decisions … to make them No. 1.

''But if you're carrying an injured player on [a Wallabies tour], is that right for the Wallabies to be No. 1? They need to be true to their word.''


Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/white-to-rein-in-brumbies-20121116-29hzz.html#ixzz2COPXnhEI

 

[Sully]

Jake White with some wise words...

Spot on!

 

[Hardtackle]

White is probably seething but doesn't want to blast Deans and his bosses as there maybe a bigger prize in the offing.