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JON to be offered new deal to stay on as CEO

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Mark Ella (57)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...nd-oneills-reign/story-e6frg7o6-1225913015430

Given the rising level of angst regarding Deans who was hand picked by JON is this surprising.

Personally I think JON is one of the best administrators in Oz. I know his axing of the APC is pretty hated but financially the ARU and the state Unions as well could not afford it, simple as that. It was a great idea and I loved the Rugby but not at the expense of the viability of the state and National Unions.

I hope they do keep him on.
 
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TOCC

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i doubt rising angst towards Deans would have any effect against JON... It was widely accepted at the time that Robbie Deans was the best man for the job
 

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Desmond Connor (43)
As long as they don't bring in another Gary Flowers type who when in charge appeared to waste the war chest left after the success of the world cup. As an aside it has been good to have a bit of stability at board / management level over the last 3 seasons, pity it hasn't translated to onfield success.
 

rsea

Darby Loudon (17)
Put it in his renewal that he gets a bonus if he sets up another ARC like tournament.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Put it in his renewal that he gets a bonus if he sets up another ARC like tournament.

I don't think paying someone to set up a third tier comp will work. You'd need to put someone in charge who is really passionate and 100% committed to making a succesful ARC-style comp.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
No, JON shouldn't be judged by Deans's success. But he should be judged by crowd figures, TV revenue, etc, and we have done very very badly there. The Super14 has suffered a huge downturn in attendances in Australia, and JON has done a good job of covering that up.

We could also point to the failure of the ELVs as something JON was involved with.

On the other hand, the restructure of the S15 was all JON, and I think he's done very very well.

I'd be offering him to stay on for less money - like all the players - to reflect the financial downturn in Australian rugby.
 
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TOCC

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Scarfman, dont quote but i believe that JON actually took a pay cut last year, it was in the papers
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
Scarfman, dont quote but i believe that JON actually took a pay cut last year, it was in the papers

Yes, see the downloadable ARU 2009 Annual Report (which contains all sorts of gems btw), JO'N's income went from (fm memory) c$ 900K pa in 2008 to c$750K pa in 2009. Must have been tough.
 
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TOCC

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Yes, see the downloadable ARU 2009 Annual Report (which contains all sorts of gems btw), JO'N's income went from (fm memory) c$ 900K pa in 2008 to c$750K pa in 2009. Must have been tough.

I'm nit saying he is doing it tough by any means, but a 20% pay cut is still a sizable pay cut
 

RedsHappy

Tony Shaw (54)
No, JON shouldn't be judged by Deans's success. But he should be judged by crowd figures, TV revenue, etc, and we have done very very badly there. The Super14 has suffered a huge downturn in attendances in Australia, and JON has done a good job of covering that up. We could also point to the failure of the ELVs as something JON was involved with. On the other hand, the restructure of the S15 was all JON, and I think he's done very very well. I'd be offering him to stay on for less money - like all the players - to reflect the financial downturn in Australian rugby.

Scarf the pretty: excellent, and very fair, points IMO as an overall JO'N assessment. (Remember though that the general ARU income declines you rightly highlight are in part correlated with the Wallabies continuing, dangerous decline as an excitement and winning machine.)

The S14 decline is almost wholly due to the unenticing style of rugby being (generally) played, and, over many years now, only the Tahs breaking through into the final 4, or 2. The Reds phenomenal 2010 upsurge of income/gate numbers highlights what the Aus fans respond to. It's not rocket science. But it was the only place where the gate grew from 09 to 10.

I would add to your list:

- From mid 2007 (JO'N return), the ARU should not have permitted the QRU to hurtle headlong into de facto bankruptcy in late 2009; let alone the major cost to the ARU in scarce cash of this bail-out, QLD rugby was slowly but surely dying to this danger point, and its viability is essential to the code in Australia;

- the ARU is making a similar error of hands-off complacency wrt the ACT RU and NSW RUs - these S14's gates are in worrying decline, the bad omens are there, their boards are introverted and self-preserving, and, I would argue, their managements and coaches need a clean-out a la the QRU to conduct a revitalisation of the code (and game style) in these key states;

- agree with you generally re RD and JO'N links, but I'd be just a bit tougher in that IMO it was near obvious that something, somewhere was wrong with the coaching set-up in late 2009 post-Scotland and JO'N should have insisted that the Assistants were ousted and upgraded, and the RD ceased trying to be the all-knowing 'master coach' and started recognising he needed a serious Aus version of The Cartel ie, more seasoned, specialist, in depth coaching resources under him, and ones he should listen more to;

- not enough real innovation to drive up income and marketable game products. Yes, I like the new S15! And Macqueen back at the new Rebels etc. But I have advocated elsewhere that, for example, an annual 3-game rugby State of Origin is just a no-brainer to (a) make truckloads of $s that the game badly needs and (b) excite old and new fan engagement ditto. We need some radical new ideas and game concepts, the calendar is getting stale.

Fundamentally, and I keep saying this to the (understandable) fans of the old ARC - what the ARU urgently needs today are sources of new cash income growth, not sources of new cash exits.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...or-bleak-picture/story-e6frg7t6-1225914032163

A good article from Wayne Smith. Don't agree with him but at least he is offering some critical review.

I would like to know for balance sake what participation numbers were doing throughout Flower's time as CEO, what the finances were etc. You cannot make a valid judgement by looking at the final year of somebody's contract and compare it to where the successor is. I'm sure that Flower's tenure would look particularly bad, especially on financial ground if compared to JON's first tenure final year.

That said, JON needs this type critique to stay on top of his game, he is not and should not be above reproach.
 
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For me JON got rid of everything Flowers introduced - therefore I conclude that Australian rugby is functioning, in terms of philosophy at least, exactly as JON and the Board wants. I noted an interesting thing when i watched the Reds play their last game agains the highlanders and then I watched the test match against Ireland. I imagine the crowd would have had similar people but the event wasn't - the test was flat, the only noise coming from 500 irish supporter at one end. My point is that the shop front of the game, the test matches, have been dull and have been that way for years. It seems arrogant that the game itself is going to be enough (we dont even have john Williamson anymore - which seemed to be the sole attempt at entertainment, apart from some blow up funny object and two large flags being rotated in the middle of the field). i think the QRU was able to make the games more a genuine event (noise, colour, music etc) and lots of fans came despite it being a dead rubber. I only mention this to say that the philosophies that govern the way the game is run in Australia is the ARU 's responsibility - this needs to be reviewed in terms of performance as much as the efforts of the team. I dont buy the arguement about stability as this to me means more of the same. 7/8 years of mediocrity is a good reason to be reviewing the philosophy and processes rather than just repeating them again
 

mark_s

Chilla Wilson (44)
You can't help but wonder how different things might have been if the Wobbs had been able to hold on and win the majority of games at which they lead at half time. But they didn't and so JON will go when Deans goes. While JON has had some successes in his second tenure, the reality is all of the KPIS are looking sick and the buck stops with the CEO.
 
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