John I Dent Cup 2014
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Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
How does this work?
http://www.brumbies.com.au/Portals/...udiciary Outcomes/2014 Judiciary Outcomes.pdf
ACT 2014 Judiciary Records
Didier, Geoff, Royals, 8th Sep 2012, Referee Abuse, Suspended until Appears
A former Wallaby has been suspended since 8 September 2012 for referee abuse, and has not fronted judiciary to account for his actions.
Any back story or detail on this one?
http://www.brumbies.com.au/Portals/...udiciary Outcomes/2014 Judiciary Outcomes.pdf
ACT 2014 Judiciary Records
Didier, Geoff, Royals, 8th Sep 2012, Referee Abuse, Suspended until Appears
A former Wallaby has been suspended since 8 September 2012 for referee abuse, and has not fronted judiciary to account for his actions.
Any back story or detail on this one?
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
It's the Duke. Enough said.
Anyone who knows him will know what I mean.
Anyone who knows him will know what I mean.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Was he a coach or manager or some sort of team or club official when he allegedly abused the referee?
I would assume that he would not be able to perform in any such capacity at any club/team in the Rugby world until the suspension order was lifted.
Seems strange that he has let it drag on for so long. More interesting (and newsworthy/gossipworthy) given that he is an ex Wallaby and therefore a "Role Model".
I would assume that he would not be able to perform in any such capacity at any club/team in the Rugby world until the suspension order was lifted.
Seems strange that he has let it drag on for so long. More interesting (and newsworthy/gossipworthy) given that he is an ex Wallaby and therefore a "Role Model".
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
He played lower grades up until then and I believe was over 50 years of age
He was known for speaking his mind to match officials.
He was known for speaking his mind to match officials.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
So until he fronts judiciary, his name will continue on the suspended list. Brilliant.
In terms of standardised guidance for Illegal and/or Foul Play and Misconduct, IRB Regulation 17 applies, and is used by nearly all judiciaries to assist to determine sanctions for citings.
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Judiciary Entry Point Based on Scale of Seriousness of the Player’s conduct, which constitutes the offending.
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Verbal Abuse of Match Officials,
Lower End 6 weeks, Mid Range 12 weeks, Top End 18+weeks, Maximum Sanction 52 weeks
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Physical Abuse of Match Officials
Lower End 24 weeks, Mid Range 48 weeks, Top End 96+ weeks, Maximum Sanction Life
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Threatening Actions or Words at Match Officials
Lower End 12 weeks, Mid Range 24 weeks, Top End 48+ weeks, Maximum Sanction 260 weeks
Depending on what kind of abuse he has been charged with, being suspended for about 70 weeks (and increasing with each week as time goes on), would cover most situations of guilt.
Why didn't the judiciary simply try him in absentia, and assign a maximum sentence and clear him off the "outstanding judiciary" list.
It is fairly obvious that the person has no intention of fronting judiciary. What kind of officious and petty bureaucrat is running the show in Brumbies judiciary? Former public servant perhaps?
In terms of standardised guidance for Illegal and/or Foul Play and Misconduct, IRB Regulation 17 applies, and is used by nearly all judiciaries to assist to determine sanctions for citings.
(extract)
Judiciary Entry Point Based on Scale of Seriousness of the Player’s conduct, which constitutes the offending.
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Verbal Abuse of Match Officials,
Lower End 6 weeks, Mid Range 12 weeks, Top End 18+weeks, Maximum Sanction 52 weeks
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Physical Abuse of Match Officials
Lower End 24 weeks, Mid Range 48 weeks, Top End 96+ weeks, Maximum Sanction Life
Law No.6.A.5, 10.4(k) Threatening Actions or Words at Match Officials
Lower End 12 weeks, Mid Range 24 weeks, Top End 48+ weeks, Maximum Sanction 260 weeks
Depending on what kind of abuse he has been charged with, being suspended for about 70 weeks (and increasing with each week as time goes on), would cover most situations of guilt.
Why didn't the judiciary simply try him in absentia, and assign a maximum sentence and clear him off the "outstanding judiciary" list.
It is fairly obvious that the person has no intention of fronting judiciary. What kind of officious and petty bureaucrat is running the show in Brumbies judiciary? Former public servant perhaps?
Almost 2 old
Chris McKivat (8)
ACTRU Rules of Competition
Part 3. Sect.49 sub sect.2 A player who is the subject of a matter before the judiciary must be present at the meeting for the hearing of the matter.
Hughie I am not a learned type so WTF would I know , but ,it seems like the law was written with the presumption that the person who is to appear before the judiciary is wanting to have a chance to defend themselves. So I suppose the law cannot be reviewed/adjusted/amended until all outstanding matters have been dealt with.
Part 3. Sect.49 sub sect.2 A player who is the subject of a matter before the judiciary must be present at the meeting for the hearing of the matter.
Hughie I am not a learned type so WTF would I know , but ,it seems like the law was written with the presumption that the person who is to appear before the judiciary is wanting to have a chance to defend themselves. So I suppose the law cannot be reviewed/adjusted/amended until all outstanding matters have been dealt with.
Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
It occurred in a 3rd grade grand final. Geoff, at the age of 53 I think, was playing his last game & anyone who knows his judiciary record & relationship with officials over a 35 year senior rugby career would not be the slightest bit surprised he decided to give one final spray as he walked off into the sunset. Do you seriously expect a 53 year old who has no intention of playing again to front up to a judiciary hearing for referee abuse?
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
The intriguing thing is why they keep it on the Judiciary Record as outstanding after so long, probably longer a Top End guilty sentence that would have been had GD fronted to the judiciary and pleaded guilty. In keeping the suspension ongoing, GD is probably wearing this as a Badge of Honour, and it is yet another FU from him to the games authority figures.
I understand all the rules, procedures and policies written, but for every rule, procedure and policy there is always an exception that can be applied. Provided it is done transparently and accountably I see no problem with that.
The Didier Clause. If a party declines to attend judiciary to pursuant to Part 3. Sect.49 sub sect.2, then that party will be deeemed to have entered a guilty plea to the alleged offence and the IRB recommended Top End sanction will be applied to that party in absentia, unless there are extenuating circumstances dictating that the IRB recommended Maximum Sanction will apply.
<comment about reinforcing the negative stereotype of Canberra public servants avoided>.
I've said my bit, had my fun, and will now move on from this little sidetrack to bring the discussion back to the comment on current JID competition issues.
I understand all the rules, procedures and policies written, but for every rule, procedure and policy there is always an exception that can be applied. Provided it is done transparently and accountably I see no problem with that.
The Didier Clause. If a party declines to attend judiciary to pursuant to Part 3. Sect.49 sub sect.2, then that party will be deeemed to have entered a guilty plea to the alleged offence and the IRB recommended Top End sanction will be applied to that party in absentia, unless there are extenuating circumstances dictating that the IRB recommended Maximum Sanction will apply.
<comment about reinforcing the negative stereotype of Canberra public servants avoided>.
I've said my bit, had my fun, and will now move on from this little sidetrack to bring the discussion back to the comment on current JID competition issues.
Rock Lobster
Larry Dwyer (12)
Fair points Hugh & I reckon you are probably right about him wearing it as a badge of honour & a FU to the ACTRU
I thought he might like to round of with a spray at the judiciary.
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Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
Todays results:
Royals 29 def Eagles 20
I don't have final scores for the games below:
Wests beat Queanbeyan (last score 22-10 Wests)
Uni Norths beat Easts (Last score 31-16 Uni-Norths)
Royals 29 def Eagles 20
I don't have final scores for the games below:
Wests beat Queanbeyan (last score 22-10 Wests)
Uni Norths beat Easts (Last score 31-16 Uni-Norths)
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
Uni-Norths got up 31-28 over Easts in the end
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
This is pretty bad.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/c...ghit-player-20140525-zrnku.html#ixzz32hxolcK3
I understand that one of our forum members was involved and since it's still under police investigation let's not wildly speculate until that is complete.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/c...ghit-player-20140525-zrnku.html#ixzz32hxolcK3
I understand that one of our forum members was involved and since it's still under police investigation let's not wildly speculate until that is complete.
rugbyskier
Ted Thorn (20)
I went to Taylor Park to see the Whites play Wests but arrived after the incident had occurred. A couple of blokes were talking about what happened but I didn't realise how serious it was until reading the Canberra Times this morning.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
Wests seem to be finding some form in 1st grade - Qbn struggling this year - at the moment anyway - have they had a heap of changes from past years?
No real surprises in the other games - Eagles were looking good earlier in the year but seem to be dropping abit of form...not sure if players are out at the moment or what.
Vikings had the bye and take on Easts this weekend at Viking Park - Long day for Easts in all grades??
No real surprises in the other games - Eagles were looking good earlier in the year but seem to be dropping abit of form...not sure if players are out at the moment or what.
Vikings had the bye and take on Easts this weekend at Viking Park - Long day for Easts in all grades??
Brumby Jack
Steve Williams (59)
Some more info on the Wests v Queanbeyan 4th grade incident from the weekend. The player in question is off to the judiciary tomorrow night.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...eree-and-kinghit-opponent-20140526-zro8f.html
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...eree-and-kinghit-opponent-20140526-zro8f.html
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