RoffsChoice
Jim Lenehan (48)
Welp. Their scrum is even better.
Italy v Australia, Sunday Nov 10 2013, Stadio Olimpico
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Dave Cowper (27)
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
I'd pick:
Robinson
Fainga'a
Kepu
Simmons
Douglas
Mowen
Gill
McCalman
White
10-15 no change
TPN, Ryan, Slipper, Horwill, Dennis, Phipps, Foley, Leali'ifano
Hooper was one of our better forwards but Gill has to get a start on this tour and there's no reason it shouldn't be the Italy game.
I'm giving Fardy the week off after getting knocked out. With everyone on tour needing to get some game time, there's no reason why he should be backing up next week after getting knocked out cold and stretchered off.
Moore was easily the best of our tight five, but it's time to give him a rest. Fainga'a has been playing well and deserves a start.
I was tempted to start Phipps. White was barely better than Genia when he came on and Genia was the worst player on the park from either side.
Robinson
Fainga'a
Kepu
Simmons
Douglas
Mowen
Gill
McCalman
White
10-15 no change
TPN, Ryan, Slipper, Horwill, Dennis, Phipps, Foley, Leali'ifano
Hooper was one of our better forwards but Gill has to get a start on this tour and there's no reason it shouldn't be the Italy game.
I'm giving Fardy the week off after getting knocked out. With everyone on tour needing to get some game time, there's no reason why he should be backing up next week after getting knocked out cold and stretchered off.
Moore was easily the best of our tight five, but it's time to give him a rest. Fainga'a has been playing well and deserves a start.
I was tempted to start Phipps. White was barely better than Genia when he came on and Genia was the worst player on the park from either side.
Richo
John Thornett (49)
What I'd like to see?
Bench every forward after that performance -- and Mowen would only escape because we can't just change the captaincy again. Moore and Hooper were okay, but both need a rest anyway.
Drop Genia altogether.
What I think we'll see?
The same team, with Simmons in for Timani and McCalman for Fardy.
Bench every forward after that performance -- and Mowen would only escape because we can't just change the captaincy again. Moore and Hooper were okay, but both need a rest anyway.
Drop Genia altogether.
What I think we'll see?
The same team, with Simmons in for Timani and McCalman for Fardy.
Hawko
Tony Shaw (54)
My understanding is that Simmons is out for two matches, back in time for the Irish. You'd have to think Fardy won't be playing the Italians either.
Highlander35
Steve Williams (59)
Genia not performing. Backline is otherwise OK. No way Fardy will be able to play. Gill needs a start. Want to give Foley one too. Need best props on the pitch.
1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Kepu
4. Douglas
5. Horwill
6. Mowen
7. Gill
8. McCalman
9. White
10. Cooper
11. Honey-Badger
12. To'omua
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. Folau
15. Foley
16. Fa'ainga
17. Slipper
18. Ryan
19. TImani
20. Hooper
21. Phipps
22. Lilo
23. Kurdrani
1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Kepu
4. Douglas
5. Horwill
6. Mowen
7. Gill
8. McCalman
9. White
10. Cooper
11. Honey-Badger
12. To'omua
13. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
14. Folau
15. Foley
16. Fa'ainga
17. Slipper
18. Ryan
19. TImani
20. Hooper
21. Phipps
22. Lilo
23. Kurdrani
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John Hipwell (52)
Not sure that dropping Kuridrani is the way to go. He is on the up and every chance he has now will hopefully bring big benefits in the next couple of years. The same applies to Folau at 15. Unfortunately that means less chances for Foley but he is rightfully behind the others and if Beale returns well he may not be there in the future.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
After last nights performance, I wouldn't even have Timani running the water or looking after the mascot, let alone riding the pine preventing another player getting a possible test cap.
While he didn't really go missing like some other piggies do, what he did was ineffectual.
While he didn't really go missing like some other piggies do, what he did was ineffectual.
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Jim Lenehan (48)
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/u...-minibubble-20131103-2wugm.html#ixzz2jZTYWm4L
Oh yes you are miles away. This is not a one-or-two-moments-done-wrong problem.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
I still don't understand how or why people would select Timani, the guy is a passenger most of the game. He can put on a big hit, but carrying he doesn't use his weight, and he slipped or missed more tackles than he made from my viewing. Useless in the lineout as well. Make him get the bread and butter of his position (lineout, rucks) at provincial level before letting him go close to the national team again.
With Simmons out, I'd start Douglas with Horwill. Fardy is likely out, so that means Mowen at 6, McCalman at 8. I'd be tempted to give Hooper a rest and put Gill at 7 with Hooper on the bench. Sadly, this means that Timani makes the bench, unless you want to carry Dennis as the spare lock.
I'd also rotate the props, at the very least start Kepu over Alexander, but also Robinson over Slipper.
I'd like to drop Genia, but I'd pick Phipps if that were the case. White just kicks too much. The only other change in the backline I'd make is Tomane for Cummins.
One thing: too much aimless kicking. Folau and To'omua had good games otherwise, but they kicked too much and too often let them English return with interest. Genia falls in here too, but his game otherwise was pretty poor.
Why did we revert to a Deans style kick everything for the English game after doing it differently in the RC? I would hate to see that sort of aimless play for the Italy game.
With Simmons out, I'd start Douglas with Horwill. Fardy is likely out, so that means Mowen at 6, McCalman at 8. I'd be tempted to give Hooper a rest and put Gill at 7 with Hooper on the bench. Sadly, this means that Timani makes the bench, unless you want to carry Dennis as the spare lock.
I'd also rotate the props, at the very least start Kepu over Alexander, but also Robinson over Slipper.
I'd like to drop Genia, but I'd pick Phipps if that were the case. White just kicks too much. The only other change in the backline I'd make is Tomane for Cummins.
One thing: too much aimless kicking. Folau and To'omua had good games otherwise, but they kicked too much and too often let them English return with interest. Genia falls in here too, but his game otherwise was pretty poor.
Why did we revert to a Deans style kick everything for the English game after doing it differently in the RC? I would hate to see that sort of aimless play for the Italy game.
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David Codey (61)
Here's a tip Link.
Don't try and insinuate missed penalty goals had a big bearing on the loss,when the other team missed more shots than your kicker did.
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Mark Ella (57)
I'll have a go at picking a side, and I'm also assuming that Simmons and Fardy are not available.
1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Kepu
4. Douglas (Fardy if fit)
5. Horwill
6. Mowen
7. Gill
8. McCalman
9. White
10. QC (Quade Cooper)
12. To'omua
13. Kuridrani
11. Cummins
14. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Folau
16. Fainga'a
17. Ryan
18. Slipper
19. Dennis
20. Hooper
21. Foley
22. Lilo
23. Phipps
Game plan changes are fundamental.
1. The Wallabies will commit to the ruck with more than just the tackler and assistant tackler or the first arriving supporter of the ball carrier. Hence the selection of Gill. IMO Hooper has been selected precisely because the Wallabies are avoiding the breakdown.
2. The halfback will pass the ball with pace from the ground. No half step shuffle across field before hand. I have no problem with running the ball or the odd kick (as long as Genia doesn't do it.) However running and kicking from the ruck base by the 9 is to be the exception and not the rule. The 9 will be the 2nd or at latest the 3rd arriving player to each breakdown.
3. The Wallaby forwards must show far more effort, application and aggression. If players walk or faux jog away from set pieces it will be marked and those players not selected again, until they show consistency of application in these areas at Super level. If that means topped up players do not get selected so be it. I honestly believe that should a complete team of rookies be sent out they would not play as badly as the rubbish that was served up last night or in every game this year bar Arg. and aspects of Bled3.
1. Robinson
2. Moore
3. Kepu
4. Douglas (Fardy if fit)
5. Horwill
6. Mowen
7. Gill
8. McCalman
9. White
10. QC (Quade Cooper)
12. To'omua
13. Kuridrani
11. Cummins
14. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper)
15. Folau
16. Fainga'a
17. Ryan
18. Slipper
19. Dennis
20. Hooper
21. Foley
22. Lilo
23. Phipps
Game plan changes are fundamental.
1. The Wallabies will commit to the ruck with more than just the tackler and assistant tackler or the first arriving supporter of the ball carrier. Hence the selection of Gill. IMO Hooper has been selected precisely because the Wallabies are avoiding the breakdown.
2. The halfback will pass the ball with pace from the ground. No half step shuffle across field before hand. I have no problem with running the ball or the odd kick (as long as Genia doesn't do it.) However running and kicking from the ruck base by the 9 is to be the exception and not the rule. The 9 will be the 2nd or at latest the 3rd arriving player to each breakdown.
3. The Wallaby forwards must show far more effort, application and aggression. If players walk or faux jog away from set pieces it will be marked and those players not selected again, until they show consistency of application in these areas at Super level. If that means topped up players do not get selected so be it. I honestly believe that should a complete team of rookies be sent out they would not play as badly as the rubbish that was served up last night or in every game this year bar Arg. and aspects of Bled3.
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David Codey (61)
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David Codey (61)
Quite the reverse.
I was suggesting having that many kickers was a bad thing.
I was suggesting having that many kickers was a bad thing.
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