Is this the worst WC for ref moaning??

[Cardiffblue]

Joubert seems to improving. Walsh sometimes gets this right. Barnes should get the final.

do they have citing for 'simulation'. am thinking it is time we did

 

[Sluggy]

do they have citing for 'simulation'. am thinking it is time we did

There might be some sort of 'conduct unbecoming' law that covers that...

Law 7 - Whatever a player does must be in accordance with the Laws of the Game.

Law 10.2 UNFAIR PLAY

(a) Intentionally Offending. A player must not intentionally infringe any Law of the Game, or play unfairly. The player who intentionally offends must be either admonished, or cautioned that a send off will result if the offence or a similar offence is committed, or sent off.
Sanction: Penalty kick

That might cover it.

 

[pete88]

Why the hell not?

What ever happend to good long phase Rugby.
I wouldn't care if there where 100 rucks in a row so long as our men guard their ball.

I'm sorry, in what way are slow rucks interspersed with small gains and loses around the fringes "good long phase rugby"? It's shit rugby, I have no problem with the ball going no more than one pass wide of the ruck if it's happening at pace, but slow rugby achieves nothing except for setting up drop goals and clearance kicks, which is very situational and is not "our men guarding their ball".

I'm not advocating basketball here, just saying that good forward play is quick forward play and, for the third time, IS good to watch. The ball is not a Faberge Egg, players should use it.

 

[Dan54]

It stated being discussed about a month before this world cup started.
If you dig about you will find some articles about it.
The IRB wants fast games that are held up for nothing.
Also why injuried players are lying about the pitch bleeding while the game goes on.

Fanatic, I think you may have misunderstood there meaning, saying you can't have players lying on ground is not vthe same as saying it has to be a freeflowing game with the ball thrown around backline etc, I can't remember IRB diecting refs to change the game that way, though I am happy to be proved wrong.

 

[Cardiffblue]

I'm sorry, in what way are slow rucks interspersed with small gains and loses around the fringes "good long phase rugby"? It's shit rugby, I have no problem with the ball going no more than one pass wide of the ruck if it's happening at pace, but slow rugby achieves nothing except for setting up drop goals and clearance kicks, which is very situational and is not "our men guarding their ball".

I'm not advocating basketball here, just saying that good forward play is quick forward play and, for the third time, IS good to watch. The ball is not a Faberge Egg, players should use it.

that will need QC (Quade Cooper) to stand up and distribute flat. anything less and australia will never reach gain line.

 

[Dan54]

I think its the worst WC for referee performance.

I disagree, I personally think it's worst WC for commentators moaning about refs, where some of our so called fans of games get their info from. I haven't had the benefit of seeing coverage etc from other places , but the performance of the likes of Marto and Kearnsie have been nothing short of pathetic, not in their commentating, but their ridiculous statements after games. I heard Marto on Back Page tyelling everyone that ne refs have played in front row, so none are capable or reffing it, unfortunately some idiots believe this. Kearnsie's tirade after Irish beat Wallabies was rubbish, especially as I pointed out Ben Alexander said he knew what evry penalty was for. I not in anyway saying they only ones or trying to downgrade their skills, but as I said half the people that watch the games on TV actually believe commentators if it fits in with why their team was beaten.

 

[Sluggy]

that will need QC (Quade Cooper) to stand up and distribute flat. anything less and australia will never reach gain line.

And for that the forwards need to, well, go forwards.

 

[Cardiffblue]

And for that the forwards need to, well, go forwards.

indeed. It does tend all to go together. Otherwise we will see little more than one out drives....... backwards

 

[Sluggy]

And talking about going, I'm going to the pub to grab a stool.

Adieu.

 

[Schadenfreude]

[Off Topic] - I'm sure I remember a time when if you lost a scrum, the other team got the ball. Now it seems if you lose you give away a penalty.

I think the accusations of refs being biased is terrible - almost as terrible as Bryce Lawrence's refereeing.

 

[Bowside]

I disagree, I personally think it's worst WC for commentators moaning about refs, where some of our so called fans of games get their info from. I haven't had the benefit of seeing coverage etc from other places , but the performance of the likes of Marto and Kearnsie have been nothing short of pathetic, not in their commentating, but their ridiculous statements after games. I heard Marto on Back Page tyelling everyone that ne refs have played in front row, so none are capable or reffing it, unfortunately some idiots believe this. Kearnsie's tirade after Irish beat Wallabies was rubbish, especially as I pointed out Ben Alexander said he knew what evry penalty was for. I not in anyway saying they only ones or trying to downgrade their skills, but as I said half the people that watch the games on TV actually believe commentators if it fits in with why their team was beaten.

I agree that our commentators are a bit horrible. But what benny said was just to butter up bryce for the next game. I was reported that Bryce himself even apologised to the Australasian camp as on review it was found that something like 3 of the scrum penalties we conceded were the incorrect decision. The fact that this bloke was even at the world cup ahead of mark lawrence, is a joke and just exemplifies the incompetence of those who select and manage the referees.

There is no consistency in the refereeing, just look at the difference between Barnes and B. Lawrence.

 

[Scarfman]

One interesting thing was watching all the old RWC games this week on replay on Fox. The refs made a LOT of errors.

I think the biggest change from 1987 to 2011 is the way that cheating is now coached as part of the skill set. The rise of the #7 as the most important player hasn't helped our game at all. They're putting an enormous amount of pressure on refs at the breakdown. Anything less than brutal authority by the ref is an invitation to chaos.

 

[FANATIC]

I'm sorry, in what way are slow rucks interspersed with small gains and loses around the fringes "good long phase rugby"? It's shit rugby, I have no problem with the ball going no more than one pass wide of the ruck if it's happening at pace, but slow rugby achieves nothing except for setting up drop goals and clearance kicks, which is very situational and is not "our men guarding their ball".

I'm not advocating basketball here, just saying that good forward play is quick forward play and, for the third time, IS good to watch. The ball is not a Faberge Egg, players should use it.

That may be your opinion, but it is not mine.
I am more than happy to see forwards slowly grind out inch by inch the entire ground to put points on the board.
I don't care it the backs never touch the ball at all.
I guess that is what is so wonderful about Union, it offers something for everyone.

 

[Cardiffblue]

One interesting thing was watching all the old RWC games this week on replay on Fox. The refs made a LOT of errors.

I think the biggest change from 1987 to 2011 is the way that cheating is now coached as part of the skill set. The rise of the #7 as the most important player hasn't helped our game at all. They're putting an enormous amount of pressure on refs at the breakdown. Anything less than brutal authority by the ref is an invitation to chaos.

Disagree re: rise of the No 7. HAve always thought back row forwards are the most influential players. NZ have always had the best and therefore been the best. Think it has taken 30 yrs for the rest of the world to realise,

 

[Train Without a Station]

Does anybody think the closeness of the games has brought the officiating into the spotlight?

 

[Cardiffblue]

Does anybody think the closeness of the games has brought the officiating into the spotlight?

Given that this started with Gatland's Heroes vs Lievremont's Loonies, not at all

 

[Baldric]

I think the biggest gripe about the refereeing is becaus there has been such a vast difference in interpretation in some of the laws by the referees. They should have had enough time to get a degree of consistency about what service they were going to offer.

 

[Cardiffblue]

I think the biggest gripe about the refereeing is becaus there has been such a vast difference in interpretation in some of the laws by the referees. They should have had enough time to get a degree of consistency about what service they were going to offer.

Problem is (in my view and other it seems) refs cannot blow all of the laws otherwise the game wouldn't flow and the press would crucify them for playing like NH. So they are forced to interpret them and the result is current controversy. that said, some refs (such as joubert) are clearly applying better interpretations than others (such as Lawrence)

 

[Dan54]

I agree that our commentators are a bit horrible. But what benny said was just to butter up bryce for the next game. I was reported that Bryce himself even apologised to the Australasian camp as on review it was found that something like 3 of the scrum penalties we conceded were the incorrect decision. The fact that this bloke was even at the world cup ahead of mark lawrence, is a joke and just exemplifies the incompetence of those who select and manage the referees.

There is no consistency in the refereeing, just look at the difference between Barnes and B. Lawrence.

So you are basically saying benny is a liar?? It was reported by Marto that Bryce apologised?? See my comments re the commentators.

 

[Bowside]

So you are basically saying benny is a liar?? It was reported by Marto that Bryce apologised?? See my comments re the commentators.

Regardless of what I said. Do you believe bryce lawrence should have been appointed to referee games at this world cup?