Ireland v Australia

[Bairdy]

How the fuck have they regressed?
You make it sound like they had a winning record during Link's time.
They didn't.

The Great Cheika inherited a team that lost by 1 point against the All Blacks - their most comprehensive performance this year despite losing. Contrast that to the state of the Wallabies in 2013 when Link took over; they were a shambles.

 

[Mr Doug]

Well, I'm glad that I got up to watch our boys!! Plenty to be positive about from that match!

 

[Hammeroid]

I will forgive all if you can beat the POMS next week. Fuck them

 

[Dumbledore]

How many times have the Wallabies played the Boks and ABs under Cheika, again?

Oh..right

I have faith Cheika will come good but referencing the W/L record under Link when he had to coach through TRC and had much more success on his own EOYT is just fucking stupid, mate.

They're not really looking any better or any worse though.

That 15-20 minutes when we came back from 17-zip down was every bit as good, if not better, than anything we saw from a McKenzie coached Wallaby side. Lots to work on, but you can see the blueprint for what Cheika is trying to achieve.

 

[BabyBlueElephant]

I will forgive all if you can beat the POMS next week. Fuck them

What a game that'll be, whoever loses that game with be destroyed by their respective media. I think Aus could rip England a new one if they play like they did today with a few less mistakes. England's scrum will be about the same as Irelands today thanks to the injuries to the likes of Corbisiero and Cole.

 

[bobdog]

That was one hell of a game.....if you can't simply look at it as a game for one second and judge it on its entertainment value then you should give yourself a kick in the balls!

 

[USARugger]

They're not really looking any better or any worse though.

That 15-20 minutes when we came back from 17-zip down was every bit as good, if not better, than anything we saw from a McKenzie coached Wallaby side. Lots to work on, but you can see the blueprint for what Cheika is trying to achieve.

Agreed - it was the reference to W/L record as if that means anything at all in this situation that bothered me.

 

[MrTabua]

As Link would attest there's a fine line between success and failure at international level.

 

[Tomikin]

They're not really looking any better or any worse though.

That 15-20 minutes when we came back from 17-zip down was every bit as good, if not better, than anything we saw from a McKenzie coached Wallaby side. Lots to work on, but you can see the blueprint for what Cheika is trying to achieve.

I think Ewen wallabies looked better, but we are only 3 games in.. It's a shame Link quit, I think we would have won against the French and Irish. But new coach putting in his blueprint always takes time.

Just beat the Poms I'll be happy

 

[I like to watch]

How many times have the Wallabies played the Boks and ABs under Cheika, again?

Oh..right

I have faith Cheika will come good but referencing the W/L record under Link when he had to coach through TRC and had much more success on his own EOYT is just fucking stupid, mate.

Not as stupid as suggesting this squad has gone backwards since the coaches changed.
Bear in mind he quit just before the tour started,the new coach didn't have a training session before they jumped on the plane.
Hardly the same prep that Link had a year prior.
Too much rose coloured glasses on here,regarding the former coach.

How was this game any worse than Links last game as coach?
To suggest this team has regressed from their performance in Argentina is very fucking stupid.

 

[Shelts89]

I will forgive all if you can beat the POMS next week. Fuck them

 

[BabyBlueElephant]

Also like to add Hooper was something else today. The guy has stepped up. Australia now have not just the best 7 in the world already hitting a gym somewhere in Canberra, they also have the second best right now in Hooper. An embarrassment of riches as they say eh. Its not very often teams compete that well at the Irish breakdown but thanks to Hooper Aus did their own share of bullying.

I think I've already stated how Kuridrani was outstanding today, but how good was To'omua too? His clearance kicks are outstanding.

 

[Bardon]

Great start from Ireland. Overall the performance could have been better. Made some silly errors, when we'd work hard to build a lead, that gave Aus a sniff. Some really excellent tries by Australia. Really exciting game.
Both teams on the up after this one.

 

[PiXeL_Ninja]

Also like to add Hooper was something else today. The guy has stepped up. Australia now have not just the best 7 in the world already hitting a gym somewhere in Canberra, they also have the second best right now in Hooper. An embarrassment of riches as they say eh. Its not very often teams compete that well at the Irish breakdown but thanks to Hooper Aus did their own share of bullying.

I think I've already stated how Kuridrani was outstanding today, but how good was To'omua too? His clearance kicks are outstanding.

 

[MrTabua]

Wonderful result for Ireland, they are so on the up it's not funny. Brilliant stuff.

Hard to be that positive about the Australian performance. We all know we can score some tries. We worked that out last year. Bigger problems remain from the last decade.

Personally, I don't think very much rests on next week's game against England as long as Stephen Moore is fit for the majority of next year's campaign.

 

[USARugger]

Not as stupid as suggesting this squad has gone backwards since the coaches changed.
Bear in mind he quit just before the tour started,the new coach didn't have a training session before they jumped on the plane.
Hardly the same prep that Link had a year prior.
Too much rose coloured glasses on here,regarding the former coach.

How was this game any worse than Links last game as coach?
To suggest this team has regressed from their performance in Argentina is very fucking stupid.

Suggesting the squad has gone backwards is one thing (notice how I never addressed that in my post).

Using the W/L record of the two coaches as some basis for comparison to drive your argument that they haven't regressed is fundamentally flawed to a spectacular degree.

We need more games and Cheika needs more time before any assessment can be made over where the squad really is, especially as we test out and blood new players.

I simply had an issue with the metric you chose to back your argument, because it makes no sense at all.

 

[MrTabua]

Interesting what people would think of the Wallabies today, compared to 8 weeks ago, if we didn't have access to what the players (player's managers) apparently think of the coach.

 

[Biffo]

Biffo you are either WA based or in Europe...even I wouldn't be starting my night out at 1.40 EDST...acutally I tell a lie

no and no.
with two attempts, you have not got within the range of most long-range jets of where i am.

 

[Bairdy]

Not as stupid as suggesting this squad has gone backwards since the coaches changed.
Bear in mind he quit just before the tour started,the new coach didn't have a training session before they jumped on the plane.
Hardly the same prep that Link had a year prior.
Too much rose coloured glasses on here,regarding the former coach.

How was this game any worse than Links last game as coach?
To suggest this team has regressed from their performance in Argentina is very fucking stupid.

or rose coloured glasses regarding The Great Cheika?

The Wallabies' defence has certainly regressed. The Wallabies under Link were conceding 24 points on average across the 22 games Link was involved in; 37 points in his first 3 games in charge, against the ABs (2) and SA.

Cheika's first three games has seen the defence leak 27.6 points (not including the Barbarians match) against Wales, France and Ireland. Considering our average points conceded in Link's last three tests is 26, that is an obvious regression - more so when you consider that The Great Cheika has coached against NH teams, who bar Ireland, were ranked lower than Australia.

Also, nice selective memory there; Link's last game was against the All Blacks not Argentina. But of course I'm fucking stupid for making an observation.

 

[Biffo]

noone has mentioned how good was the Big Dog.
great performance.