I'm confused/disappointed

[Dan54]

Lol Grubs, I really didn't actually know there was anything wrong as he bowled the ball, seemed a bit strange, but mate in those days not very many of us in NZ actually watched a lot of cricket,and really didn't understand the rights or wrongs,cricket didn't even rate on tv in those days, it was just an annoyance between rugby seasons. hell you must of played with Mike in a couple of Sat Morning games and known how little I understood the rules when I umpired. I know within 3-4 weeks the numbers of players in junior cricket jumped.

 

[Sully]

Any chance of combining the 'whinging about Kiwis hating us' threads into one titanic thread?

And sink them all?

 

[Athilnaur]

Lol Grubs, I really didn't actually know there was anything wrong as he bowled the ball, seemed a bit strange, but mate in those days not very many of us in NZ actually watched a lot of cricket,and really didn't understand the rights or wrongs,cricket didn't even rate on tv in those days, it was just an annoyance between rugby seasons. hell you must of played with Mike in a couple of Sat Morning games and known how little I understood the rules when I umpired. I know within 3-4 weeks the numbers of players in junior cricket jumped.

During the Hadlee Crowe era? I must have been in an alternate reality.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

During the Hadley Crowe era? I must have been in an alternate reality.

The ball was legal. It was also immoral - but hell cricket in this country is a cut throat game played by individuals masquerading as a team sport.

 

[da_grubster]

Lol Grubs, I really didn't actually know there was anything wrong as he bowled the ball, seemed a bit strange, but mate in those days not very many of us in NZ actually watched a lot of cricket,and really didn't understand the rights or wrongs,cricket didn't even rate on tv in those days, it was just an annoyance between rugby seasons. hell you must of played with Mike in a couple of Sat Morning games and known how little I understood the rules when I umpired. I know within 3-4 weeks the numbers of players in junior cricket jumped.

yeah, I was always nervous with you umpiring and getting wrapped on the pads. even the fact that I was mates with your son gave me little comfort at the time ;-)

 

[Dan54]

Mate they didn't call me trigger for nothing, I got home quicker if I got rid of you buggers.
Actually Ath it was probably before Martin Crowe, or at least very early in his career, cricket exploded in NZ after.

 

[da_grubster]

Well on the brightside Grub, things have never looked better for NZ. Once Read comes back in, the team is one of the strongest Kiwis have fielded in a while. Halfback is an issue, tho thats not new for the ABs, and I think the winger FB setup hasn't been ideal to arrive at, but that's largely academic as the whole backline is excellent and its only some combinations that might suffer. Well and your locks. So thats your FB, wingers, halfback, and locks. But the hooker is good, great even, well some could argue Hore should be there. So it's all good except your wingers, FB, halfback, locks and hooker. And one of your props. Er, Read is coming back right?

So long as DC's back is alright... Er, does that leave anyone? Oh, Richie and the invisibility cloak that every ref in christendom knows about.

Kidding! As I said the ABs whether they want it or not are clear favourites now, and deservedly so.

Saturday morning, 24th june 1995 things looked great for us (Although the general public didn't know about half the team throwing up and shitting themselves on the morning of the final!)

we have a good chance really, my main concern seems to around our forward pack. We haven't only really put in one strong performance this year and that was in Bled 1. I have unasy about our work at the breakdown, we seemed to approach it differently and are not committing the numbers in both attack and defence. Our counter rucking has been as poor as I can remember this year and with McCaw changing his game to more of a linking 7 (kinda like Michael Jones), he doesn't see to effect anywhere near the turnovers that he used to do. So Pocock and Broussow are far more effective on the ground at the moment (without the game around the park but I digress - lee Grant copyright).

we haven't had much possession against sides and I believe this comes down to how we address the breakdown.

That is my biggest gripe really. Cowan has lost form at completely the wrong time. I think he is probably the best defensive halfback going around but his work when we have the ball is woeful at the moment. Still dont think weepu is fit enough to play the game plan we want.

Looking for a big game from us today and make a real statement against the French. I dont like this talk of revenge for 2007 (we have played them twice since then anyway and lost the fist one ffs!). Let's save that emotion if we meet them during the knockouts!

Cheers

 

[Athilnaur]

Certainly not my recollection Dan, I grew up there, cricket was the summer sport. One day cricket did up the ratings later but I stand by the view - a huge amount of disgust in kiwiland at the poor sportsmanship. The outcry was huge, I can't comment on Kiwi opinion in the 70s, I was too young but the 80s view of Aussies was completely tainted by that incident. I think Kiwis were embarrassed about Loe, to a degree, those that admitted it was deliberate anyway, but that was an individual's action, Chappel's was a captains considered decision. Eggs and spit started hitting the Aussie cricket team if they toured after that, I recall the media debate at the time.

Anyways, time to move on

 

[Dan54]

Too true Ath, I getting older so my meory probably buggered anyway. Actually Grubs I been a bit wary of our forwards this year, but tend to think the reason Richie not making the turnovers is more about how laws are interpreted this season, I don't think Pocock has made very many turnovers at all this year either. Also he works in tandem with Read so much, think Thomson and him will probably play similar roles.

 

[da_grubster]

Too true Ath, I getting older so my meory probably buggered anyway. Actually Grubs I been a bit wary of our forwards this year, but tend to think the reason Richie not making the turnovers is more about how laws are interpreted this season, I don't think Pocock has made very many turnovers at all this year either. Also he works in tandem with Read so much, think Thomson and him will probably play similar roles.

I agree, Pocock has been quieter than normal. Broussow hammered us in PE but I think that had as much to do with the forward pack we picked and the fact we were getting munted. Agree, that's why they have put Thomson instead of Vito, he is more similar to Read in terms of support rate and with read back next week he needs the game time as he is THE no. 7 backup.

I am thinking perhaps we should start with Hore as he seems our best counter rucking forward at the moment.

Martin Crowe debuted against Aus in 1982 as a 20 yr old (i think). Unsurprisingly, got absolutely worked over by Lillee and Thomson and had an average of about 4 after the 3 match series. it wasn't until the '83 bush fire relief one dayer in Aus that we saw his talent with a good (matchwinning I think) 66 and then got his first ton against england in 1984.

I used to have a Martin Crowe Beach towel hanging up on my bedroom wall LOL!

Still he had a better start than a 19 year old Ken Rutherford opening the innings in the carribean in 1984. He avaraged less than 2 after that one! Good on thew NZ selectors ruining our brightest talents!

I dont know why I can reel those worthless stats off the top of my head

 

[grievous]

whereas if Aus don't win it I would prefer the Kiwis to get there

yeah but with that comes 4 years of smugness from their supporters, no way, they dont do modesty

 

[Athilnaur]

Even if the ABs do win, they are gonna have to watch their arse in the coming four Grievous. Wallabies have a core of greatness about them, it just needs to be tempered by experience.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Even if the ABs do win, they are gonna have to watch their arse in the coming four Grievous. Wallabies have a core of greatness about them, it just needs to be tempered by experience.

That is one hell of a statement. It should be made "sticky" for the next 4 years...I could understand "hint" but "core" is a huge call.

 

[da_grubster]

Even if the ABs do win, they are gonna have to watch their arse in the coming four Grievous. Wallabies have a core of greatness about them, it just needs to be tempered by experience.

well i have awalys said this aussie side has more than a whiff of NZ 2003 in them, so perhaps 2013-2014 you might become one of the best sides to play the game!

 

[teach]

Yeah, but we also have a solid core of players coming through the ranks to replace the old warhorses. Guys like Ben Smith, who we are going to see a lot more of.
Hosea Gear, Matt Todd, Braid and more. Even Hoeta has potential with a bit more experience. I am picking a cracking Super 15 from him next season.

 

[Athilnaur]

ABs always maintain a high standard of team, not saying they will go to custard, nor that this team will be one of the all time greats, saying that we have a core of great players and that in the coming few years they will be a force to be reckoned with and that we will hold the ABs to account far better than we have in recent years.
Hardly rocket science, ABs and Bok will lose a large number of great players next year, while the Wallabies have a core of very experienced young guys, and it is a very talented core.

 

[da_grubster]

ABs always maintain a high standard of team, not saying they will go to custard, nor that this team will be one of the all time greats, saying that we have a core of great players and that in the coming few years they will be a force to be reckoned with and that we will hold the ABs to account far better than we have in recent years.
Hardly rocket science, ABs and Bok will lose a large number of great players next year, while the Wallabies have a core of very experienced young guys, and it is a very talented core.

we aint losing much - brad thorn, Mils, Sivivatu, I think that is it actually.

The ABs will have an in jection of youth over the next 2 years. it will be needed

 

[Inside Shoulder]

well i have awalys said this aussie side has more than a whiff of NZ 2003 in them, so perhaps 2013-2014 you might become one of the best sides to play the game!

This team has no authority. Maybe they will acquire it but I suspect we will be rebuilding for the next 4.

 

[Mr Doug]

If not the Wobs, then mine would be any team containing an Aussie-born player, eg Canada, USA, Ireland....how many others are there?...Maybe ABs, Scotland, Wales, England, Russia, Fiji, Samoa, Tonga.... can anyone help me here?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I predict the winning team will have at least 1 polynesian