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Ideas for Australian Rugby Union

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Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Can anyone break down the current RWC squad + additions into which school or district system they came through? You can only go on the evidence, after all.
 

Dave Beat

Paul McLean (56)
Can anyone break down the current RWC squad + additions into which school or district system they came through? You can only go on the evidence, after all.


Yes - I'd love to know the whats / hows / whys the players finished their schooling within the Private School System?
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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Off the top of my head, only three Sydney GPS players in the squad: Kurtley Beale (Joeys), Dean Mumm (Kings), Nick Phipps (Kings).
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Off the top of my head, only three Sydney GPS players in the squad: Kurtley Beale (Joeys), Dean Mumm (Kings), Nick Phipps (Kings).


It would be interesting to see if there is a correlation to particular school teams having a good period X years ago, and whether there is anything to be learned from that.

We had a period there for a while where it seemed we were signing "the next big thing" and those guys, coming up against grown men, didn't enjoy necessarily the same freedom. The last few years, experience counts - Fardy is a great example. Not even necessarily through a standard club setup but showing the right attributes and proved his worth.

Wonder how many of those blokes gone to Europe would be similarly hardened by their experiences? A lot of it will be down to individual personalities, and whether they can adapt back to the training and speed of game required down here.
 

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
Off the top of my head, only three Sydney GPS players in the squad: Kurtley Beale (Joeys), Dean Mumm (Kings), Nick Phipps (Kings).
I'll miss some but from Queensland GPS

Genia, Pocock, Moore, Simmons, QC (Quade Cooper), To'omua, Tomane, Slipper,
McMahon

Greg Holmes went to Downlands so would have played against the GPS schools.
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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That's a fair point Nick. The two prominent teams to produce professionals in the Sydney GPS in my time were the Kings era of 2001-2002 (Benn Robinson, Dean Mumm, Daniel Halangahu, Will Caldwell, Ben Hand, James Hilgendorf, and more I've forgotten), and Joeys in 2006 (Paddy Ryan, Kurtley Beale, Peter Betham, Zipa Taumopeau).

Worth noting that this would be easily the lowest GPS representation in any of the RWC squads so far.
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ytb

Frank Row (1)
NSW CHS- 7
QLD GPS- 9
NSW AAGPS- 4
NZ- 3
NSW CAS- 2
NSW ISA – 2
QLD AIC- 1
QLD Public Schools- 2
ACT JRU- 1
Included Greg Holmes in QLD GPS on basis of Downlands fixtures.

Private Schools- 21
Public Schools- 10 (incl. Matt To'omua from Brisbane State)

NSW- 15
QLD- 12
ACT-1
NZ- 3
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Interestingly David Campese came into the Wallabies through the district route rather than schoolboys. Queanbeyan High did not have a rugby team and Campo played rugby league for the school. He played grade rugby for the Queanbeyan Whites and it was through that avenue that he came to be selected for the Wallabies a year or two after he finished school.
Didnt Tony Melrose make oz schools from grade.
 

blindsider

Billy Sheehan (19)
Didnt Tony Melrose make oz schools from grade.

Brendan Williams only made the side after he was playing for randwick colts while still at school.

He was attending Cleveland St high at the time & we (randwick colts) had a trial game against the Australian school boys side/squad in 1995 and Brendan scored 4 tries against them.

Once they realized he was also still attending high school, boom, straight in the next week.

Freak schoolboy and colts footy player. I was lucky enough to play a year of colts with him. Amazing talent.


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Teh Other Dave

Alan Cameron (40)
Interestingly David Campese came into the Wallabies through the district route rather than schoolboys. Queanbeyan High did not have a rugby team and Campo played rugby league for the school. He played grade rugby for the Queanbeyan Whites and it was through that avenue that he came to be selected for the Wallabies a year or two after he finished school.

That was often the case in the amateur era, when senior rep teams were picked on club form and put through trials.
 

Inside Shoulder

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Brendan Williams only made the side after he was playing for randwick colts while still at school.

He was attending Cleveland St high at the time & we (randwick colts) had a trial game against the Australian school boys side/squad in 1995 and Brendan scored 4 tries against them.

Once they realized he was also still attending high school, boom, straight in the next week.

Freak schoolboy and colts footy player. I was lucky enough to play a year of colts with him. Amazing talent.


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this may interest you: http://www.sbs.com.au/programs/tale...ay-From-Country-S1-Ep2-Brendan-Williams-Dingo
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
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The 1999 world cup squad had very few Sydney/Brisbane GPS representation, if I recall correctly.
Yeah good call, but had one more than 2015 of Sydney GPS. Off the top of my head I spotted Matt Burke (Joeys), Chris Whitaker (High), Phil Kearns (Newington) and Tom Bowman (Scots).
 

Hugh Jarse

Rocky Elsom (76)
Off the top of my head, only three Sydney GPS players in the squad: Kurtley Beale (Joeys), Dean Mumm (Kings), Nick Phipps (Kings).

Hookers
Stephen Moore - Brisbane Grammar School - QLD GPS
Tatafu Polota-Nau - Granville South High School - NSW CHS - 2002/03 Schoolboy
James Hanson St Joseph's Gregory Terrace - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy

Props
Greg Holmes - Downlands College - QLD
Sekope Kepu - Wesley College - NZ
Scott Sio - Trinity Grammar School - NSW CAS - 2009 Schoolboy
James Slipper - The Southport School - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy
Toby Smith - Hamilton Boys' High School - NZ

Locks
Kane Douglas - Maclean High School - NSW CHS
Dean Mumm - The Kings School - AAGPS - 2002 Schoolboy
Rob Simmons - The Southport School - QLD GPS - 2006 Schoolboy
Will Skelton - Hills Sports High School - NSW CHS
Sam Carter - The Scots College - AAGPS

Backrow forwards
Scott Fardy - Barrenjoey High School - NSW CHS
Michael Hooper - St Pius X College - NSW ISA - 2008 Schoolboy A
Ben McCalman - Kinross Wolaroi School - NSW ISA - 2006 Schoolboy
Sean McMahon - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS - 2011 Schoolboy
Wycliff Palu - Balgowlah Boys High School - NSW CHS
David Pocock - Anglican Church Grammar School - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy


Scrumhalves
Will Genia - Brisbane Boys' College - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy A
Nick Phipps - The Kings School - AAGPS

Flyhalves
Quade Cooper - Anglican Church Grammar School - QLD GPS - 2005/6 Schoolboy
Bernard Foley - St Aloysius College - NSW CAS

Inside backs
Kurtley Beale - St Joseph's College Hunters Hill - AAGPS- 2005/6 Schoolboy
Matt Giteau - St Edmunds College, Canberra - ACTJRU - 2000 Schoolboy A
Matt To'omua - Brisbane State High School - QLD GPS - 2007 Schoolboy

Outside backs
Adam Ashley-Cooper - Berkeley Vale High School - NSW CHS
Israel Folau - Marsden State High School - QLD CSS - 2006 Mungo Schoolboy
Rob Horne - Georges River College - NSW CHS - 2006/7 Schoolboy
Drew Mitchell - St Patrick's College, Shorncliffe - QLD AIC - 2001 Schoolboy
Henry Speight - Hamilton Boys High School - NZ
Joe Tomane - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS - 2007 Schoolboy
Tevita Kuridrani - Corinda State High School - QLD CSS


Also at RWC15 for other countries
Fiji - Ben Volavola - Newington College - AAGPS
Fiji - Nemani Nadolo - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS (as Ratu Nasiganiyavi)
Japan - Craig Wing - Sydney Boys’ High School - AAGPS - 1997 Schoolboy



NSW CHS - 7
NSW AAGPS - 4 (+ 2 Other Nations)
NSW CAS - 2
NSW ISA – 2
QLD GPS - 10 (+ 1 Other Nations)
QLD CSS - 2
QLD Other - 1
QLD AIC- 1
ACT JRU- 1
NZ - 3


Private Schools - 21 (+2)
Public Schools - 12 (+1)

NSW - 15 (+2)
QLD - 14 (+1)
ACT - 1
NZ - 3

Former Aust Schoolboys - 15 (+1 Mungo) (+ 1 Other Nations)
Former Aust Schoolboys A - 3
Not ASRU Rep - 11 (+ 2 ON)
Not NZ Schoolboys Rep - 3
 

Mr Doug

Dick Tooth (41)
I assume Quade needs two more tests to reach the "magic 60"!
So let's say that two international "7s" games equals one test match.
Quade joins the Aussie 7s team for the Olympics, and 'hey presto', after 4 matches at the 2016 Olympics, he becomes eligible for future Test duties.
Problem solved!!
 

blindsider

Billy Sheehan (19)
Hookers
Stephen Moore - Brisbane Grammar School - QLD GPS
Tatafu Polota-Nau - Granville South High School - NSW CHS - 2002/03 Schoolboy
James Hanson St Joseph's Gregory Terrace - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy

Props
Greg Holmes - Downlands College - QLD
Sekope Kepu - Wesley College - NZ
Scott Sio - Trinity Grammar School - NSW CAS - 2009 Schoolboy
James Slipper - The Southport School - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy
Toby Smith - Hamilton Boys' High School - NZ

Locks
Kane Douglas - Maclean High School - NSW CHS
Dean Mumm - The Kings School - AAGPS - 2002 Schoolboy
Rob Simmons - The Southport School - QLD GPS - 2006 Schoolboy
Will Skelton - Hills Sports High School - NSW CHS
Sam Carter - The Scots College - AAGPS

Backrow forwards
Scott Fardy - Barrenjoey High School - NSW CHS
Michael Hooper - St Pius X College - NSW ISA - 2008 Schoolboy A
Ben McCalman - Kinross Wolaroi School - NSW ISA - 2006 Schoolboy
Sean McMahon - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS - 2011 Schoolboy
Wycliff Palu - Balgowlah Boys High School - NSW CHS
David Pocock - Anglican Church Grammar School - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy


Scrumhalves
Will Genia - Brisbane Boys' College - QLD GPS - 2005 Schoolboy A
Nick Phipps - The Kings School - AAGPS

Flyhalves
Quade Cooper - Anglican Church Grammar School - QLD GPS - 2005/6 Schoolboy
Bernard Foley - St Aloysius College - NSW CAS

Inside backs
Kurtley Beale - St Joseph's College Hunters Hill - AAGPS- 2005/6 Schoolboy
Matt Giteau - St Edmunds College, Canberra - ACTJRU - 2000 Schoolboy A
Matt To'omua - Brisbane State High School - QLD GPS - 2007 Schoolboy

Outside backs
Adam Ashley-Cooper - Berkeley Vale High School - NSW CHS
Israel Folau - Marsden State High School - QLD CSS - 2006 Mungo Schoolboy
Rob Horne - Georges River College - NSW CHS - 2006/7 Schoolboy
Drew Mitchell - St Patrick's College, Shorncliffe - QLD AIC - 2001 Schoolboy
Henry Speight - Hamilton Boys High School - NZ
Joe Tomane - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS - 2007 Schoolboy
Tevita Kuridrani - Corinda State High School - QLD CSS


Also at RWC15 for other countries
Fiji - Ben Volavola - Newington College - AAGPS
Fiji - Nemani Nadolo - St Joseph's College, Nudgee - QLD GPS (as Ratu Nasiganiyavi)
Japan - Craig Wing - Sydney Boys’ High School - AAGPS - 1997 Schoolboy



NSW CHS - 7
NSW AAGPS - 4 (+ 2 Other Nations)
NSW CAS - 2
NSW ISA – 2
QLD GPS - 10 (+ 1 Other Nations)
QLD CSS - 2
QLD Other - 1
QLD AIC- 1
ACT JRU- 1
NZ - 3


Private Schools - 21 (+2)
Public Schools - 12 (+1)

NSW - 15 (+2)
QLD - 14 (+1)
ACT - 1
NZ - 3

Former Aust Schoolboys - 15 (+1 Mungo) (+ 1 Other Nations)
Former Aust Schoolboys A - 3
Not ASRU Rep - 11 (+ 2 ON)
Not NZ Schoolboys Rep - 3


Interesting read mate. Thanks for posting.
I do still hate how players are identified by their senior schools in rugby. I'd Much prefer listing where they played their junior rugby, like in State of Origin previews. Gives a better account where they grew up - not where they got their scholarship in most cases.



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