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The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Replace Larkham with McKay
Replace Grey with Taylor
Fisher/Foley as forwards coach (Ledesma as set-piece coach)
Byrne as skills coach
Jonny Wilkinson as kicking coach
Also bring in Dean Benton as S & C coach (or whoever was the Tahs S & C coach in 2014)
Ben Perkins as psychologist
So, overall coaching staff:
Head coach: Michael Cheika
Attack coach: Jim McKay
Defence coach: Matt Taylor
Forwards coach: Laurie Fisher/Michael Foley
Set-piece coach: Mario Ledesma
Skills coach: Mick Byrne
Kicking coach: Jonny Wilkinson
S & C coach: Dean Benton/Tahs 2014 S & C coach
Psychologist: Ben Perkins
What do you think about that coaching staff RH?
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Oh.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
A wise poster somewhere here wanted to add the most important acronym of all to the thread title - namely 'ARU'.
No teams, no skills base, no motivation, no institutional quality ever exceeds the calibre and ability of its ultimate leadership. Ever.
It's been clear since 2004 that the ARU could not rise to the essential institutional challenge of consolidating and then enhancing its immediately preceding 'golden years'.
Rather than building forward from an enlightened perspective of self-evaluation and proper strategic analysis, the ARU lapsed into an institutionally toxic combination of complacency, insularity, nepotistic and incestuous self-reinforcement that began a long process of rugby code degradation in this country and today, 2016, we see the end-game version of all this dereliction exploding painfully yet forcefully with virtually every element of the elite game here malfunctioning and underperforming.
The appointments of JO'N in 2007 and Bill Pulver (after a 'rigorous global search') in 2013 were serious errors of ARU board judgement regarding the type of leadership required to preserve and enhance the code in Australia. In both cases, the appointments reflected the then ARU board's preference for self-preservation and a conservative bias to low innovation over renewal and strategic regeneration.
The consequences are everywhere: unaffordable and non-viable Super teams that never should have commenced all draining vast financial resources from a falling income line, an obsession with player/team quantity and scale expansion over quality in depth and skills growth across a sensible footprint size, an alienated and slowly dying rugby grass roots layer, a totally and consistently failed U20s international program, mediocre coaching capabilities at all levels reflecting a chronic developmental neglect of this crucial managerial skill, clearly reducing Super and Wallaby crowds, broad media disinterest or worse media disdain for the code, and so on.
It ALL comes from the top. The ARU board today is awash with PC appointments all with zero direct experience of building successful sporting codes. And the indulgent illusion that ex-Wallabies on this board are ideally placed with relevant insights regarding what is best for Australian rugby vs a back-patting version of recycling yesterday's news and now-stale old glories.
Bill Pulver himself has mismanaged virtually very major decision he's had to take and clearly has no clue as to what is _institutionally and strategically_ essential to sustain the code in this marketplace. It is the most telling of ironies that his one and only triumph - the women's 7s rugby program - is unequivocally rooted in opening the 7s code up to all of Australia's talents and innovating in the method of recruiting and building those talents, all led by an exceptional coach that was otherwise left by the wayside.
What we see in this year's national U20s failure, the comparatively poor standard of all our Super teams and coaches, the anger and serious disillusionment within a shrinking rugby grassroots, and a truly embarrassing set of Wallaby performances all of 2016, all of this merely reflects a 10-12 year period of elite incompetence and institutional failure at the very highest levels.
Meanwhile in NZ, just the reverse has occurred in every observable aspect of the NZRU's evolution over the same period. The NZRU has become an exceptional, world-class sporting body that invested precisely the right amounts of money, passion and commitment into skills-driven R&D programs, coaching development strategies all coupled with relentless, objective self-evaluation. Every aspect of NZ rugby has gained and become better over the last decade.
And now we see how Darwin's theories apply just as much to human institutions as they do to species; the better adapted will gradually eliminate and dominate those who fail to adapt and innovate.
No teams, no skills base, no motivation, no institutional quality ever exceeds the calibre and ability of its ultimate leadership. Ever.
It's been clear since 2004 that the ARU could not rise to the essential institutional challenge of consolidating and then enhancing its immediately preceding 'golden years'.
Rather than building forward from an enlightened perspective of self-evaluation and proper strategic analysis, the ARU lapsed into an institutionally toxic combination of complacency, insularity, nepotistic and incestuous self-reinforcement that began a long process of rugby code degradation in this country and today, 2016, we see the end-game version of all this dereliction exploding painfully yet forcefully with virtually every element of the elite game here malfunctioning and underperforming.
The appointments of JO'N in 2007 and Bill Pulver (after a 'rigorous global search') in 2013 were serious errors of ARU board judgement regarding the type of leadership required to preserve and enhance the code in Australia. In both cases, the appointments reflected the then ARU board's preference for self-preservation and a conservative bias to low innovation over renewal and strategic regeneration.
The consequences are everywhere: unaffordable and non-viable Super teams that never should have commenced all draining vast financial resources from a falling income line, an obsession with player/team quantity and scale expansion over quality in depth and skills growth across a sensible footprint size, an alienated and slowly dying rugby grass roots layer, a totally and consistently failed U20s international program, mediocre coaching capabilities at all levels reflecting a chronic developmental neglect of this crucial managerial skill, clearly reducing Super and Wallaby crowds, broad media disinterest or worse media disdain for the code, and so on.
It ALL comes from the top. The ARU board today is awash with PC appointments all with zero direct experience of building successful sporting codes. And the indulgent illusion that ex-Wallabies on this board are ideally placed with relevant insights regarding what is best for Australian rugby vs a back-patting version of recycling yesterday's news and now-stale old glories.
Bill Pulver himself has mismanaged virtually very major decision he's had to take and clearly has no clue as to what is _institutionally and strategically_ essential to sustain the code in this marketplace. It is the most telling of ironies that his one and only triumph - the women's 7s rugby program - is unequivocally rooted in opening the 7s code up to all of Australia's talents and innovating in the method of recruiting and building those talents, all led by an exceptional coach that was otherwise left by the wayside.
What we see in this year's national U20s failure, the comparatively poor standard of all our Super teams and coaches, the anger and serious disillusionment within a shrinking rugby grassroots, and a truly embarrassing set of Wallaby performances all of 2016, all of this merely reflects a 10-12 year period of elite incompetence and institutional failure at the very highest levels.
Meanwhile in NZ, just the reverse has occurred in every observable aspect of the NZRU's evolution over the same period. The NZRU has become an exceptional, world-class sporting body that invested precisely the right amounts of money, passion and commitment into skills-driven R&D programs, coaching development strategies all coupled with relentless, objective self-evaluation. Every aspect of NZ rugby has gained and become better over the last decade.
And now we see how Darwin's theories apply just as much to human institutions as they do to species; the better adapted will gradually eliminate and dominate those who fail to adapt and innovate.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
A LOT to like about it, good job Torp. It may not be perfect, that's asking way too much, but it would be vastly better than what we have today, we saw their total handiwork (after weeks of preparation) writ large last night.
A detail: Wilko would be hard to get, but Stu Lierich here in Brisbane is an exceptional rugby kicking coach who gets consulting gigs all over the world (but none here, go figure), he'd likely do a good job as Wallaby kicking coach, especially under Byrne.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
.......but it's also true that JC did an outstanding job for the QRU/Reds commercially, financially and marketing brand-wise in the 2010-12 period.
He was an outsider, who together with Link, made a huge positive impact.
When the QRU has opted for insider HCs and CEOs over the last 10-12 years, they've almost all been failures.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
Excellent reminder. Many of us said at the time he went: we'll rue the day we let such a capable coach, technically and in terms of player management, go overseas. Maybe Fisher could not be persuaded to stay, but the impression gained was not that.
We fret endlessly re players going overseas, but in truth losing coaches like Fisher and Link (losing in a different way of course) is a far more serious cost to Australian rugby.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
So they only searched the Ballymore car park?
Ummm, no.
Via that 'rigorous global search' they searched the following locales for the new ARU CEO in 2013:
- lives almost next door in Mosman, Sydney to the then ARU Chairman
- was at Sydney private school with said Chairman
- played school rugby with said Chairman
- played regular golf with said Chairman
Does any of this sound even vaguely familiar?
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
So it was, instead of the 'world' (ballymore car park), they searched 'surrounding planets' (a bloke I went to school with who lives a couple minutes down the road).
So under the QRU definition of the world, they searched in part of the solar system for a new CEO
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David Codey (61)
Even simpler.
Boycott NZ.
That solves most of our problems (England this year was a bit of an exception
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wamberal
Phil Kearns (64)
Even simpler.
Boycott NZ.
That solves most of our problems (England this year was a bit of an exception
We'd be a lot poorer but a lot happier, for sure.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
No. That will not suffice. The problems of Australian rugby we see so clearly today are at root embedded within the whole of the current Australian rugby's institutional system and generally poor leadership, the whole system and its self-indulgent and insufficiently competent leadership is deficient and the only truly useful change will come from its comprehensive replacement.
What I believe is now the likely scenario that will do the job is something like this:
- first up, nothing ever changes in Australian rugby without a very serious, visible crisis, near or actual bakruptcy, truly disatrous outcomes and such like. We do not have a self-repairing institutional system, if we did, we would not be where we are today
- IMO it's likely the really serious financial and commercial crisis will come for the ARU in roughly the 2018-20 period when (a) too many State RUs have large, parallel financial and commercial crises that are simply unaffordable to fix with the then-depleted ARU cash balances and (b) Wallaby and national sponsorship incomes have fallen more than SANZAR TV rights can compensate for and when (c) (a) and (b) coalesce forcing the ARU into actual or prospective bankruptcy
- World Rugby, SANZAR and the NZRU will not want to see Australian rugby collapse and die, so they will together mount a considered rescue package to preserve some form of Australian rugby
- this package will of political and strategic necessity require a total purgation of the ARU board and a radical centralisation of all Australian rugby operations with attendant cost savings and (at long last) more competent personnel installed in key positions both in HQ and in the State RUs. These changes will be all non-negotiable and forced in
- the Force and Rebels will almost certainly be shut down on affordability and strategic viability grounds, the NRC will be merged with the grassroots clubs in some fashion
- only then, in this period, with these actions and consequences, will Australian rugby have a chance for the radical rebirthing it so clearly needs along with the arrival of superior leadership and governance capabilities
- whatever hastens the above crises and processes will ultimately be for the betterment of Australian rugby; slow and limited incremental tinkering at the margins of what we have now will only delay the inevitable and lead to more pain later.
sevenpointdropgoal
Larry Dwyer (12)
Even simpler.
Boycott NZ.
That solves most of our problems (England this year was a bit of an exception
I suspect that we'd just recalibrate our shitness so as to get beaten consistantly by a worse team. In fact, given that the entire Administration structure of Aussie rugby appears to have spent the last 12 years working consistently to make us worse, I'd argue that forcing our players to regularly front up against NZ is basically the only reason we're not utterly embarrassing against everyone else.
reddog64
Bob McCowan (2)
Here is the problem with Australian Rugby....
YOU!
You the Australian Rugby Fan. You are the problem.Not the ARU, Not Pulver, Not the States, Not the players. You.
Why? Because you consistently put up with the completely rotten culture of Australian Rugby, from top to bottom. You keep supporting it. You keep buying tickets, turning up, accepting it.
As an Australian I deplore it. I have zero pride when the Wallabies run out and play a test. Why? Because I know they are the face of a completely and utterly rotten culture and system. Don't like what I'm saying? Let's play a game.
Monday Aug 22nd, 2016 9am I'm the new CEO of the ARU and here's what I do.
1. I donate 100% of my ARU income to struggling grass roots Rugby clubs around Australian states (all of them)
2. I sack, on the spot, 70% of any underperforming ARU office and coaching staff. They walk. There is one person to run the ARU office plus the key manual workers required. There is one coach (MC for the moment) and a few training/support staff (runners). The rest go including M. Byrne.The FAT is removed in 1 hour. I cop on the chin any future fines/penalties.
3. I cancel any commercial sponsorship contracts with Qantas, BMW and others with the Wallabies brand and remove all naming/advertising rights from Monday onwards. I cop any fines/penalties on the chin.
4. I cancel all current Wallaby ARU contracts from Monday 10am onwards.
5. I announce any Australian Rugby player who is lucky enough to be selected to represent Australia, via the Wallabies, gets paid $30K a win and $1 a loss. There are no contracts with them. They play, they win, they get paid $30K. They lose they get $1
6. I instruct Cheika to sack 3/4's of the team that played last Saturday against NZ and to replace them with Australian Rugby players, under 24 years of age, who have never played for Australia at Wallaby level. I instruct him to select from all states and must have a minimum of 3 bolters from the bush. I instruct him not to select anyone from the past. I instruct him to make 100% sure of one thing for the coming test in NZ...make sure every single player selected to represent Australia..leaves it all on the park next Saturday and not to die wondering. If they do that, and it's obvious then MC gets another week as do the players.
7. I see out the RC series with this team of players and I stick with them.
8. Post RC I announce an Australian Rugby Future meeting and invite Mark Ella, Bob Dwyer, Rod McQueen, Wayne Bennett and Mal Meninga and Wally Lewis (yes you read that correctly). At the meeting we decide on the future of Australian Rugby and it's this:
- We cancel all Australian wide private school Rugby competitions (GPS, CAS, IAS etc...) and have 1 Australian wide schools competition, open to all schools, with state based play offs that lead into a national schools carnival week for the top 8 sides to play off till a winner is found. We arrange this schools carnival week to be televised on FTA each year, including the state finals proceeding them. We cancel all state school teams including the Australian Schoolboys.
- We cancel all state based Rugby organisations like NSW/QLD/ACT etc...and have one...the ARU which is fully authoritative across all states.
- From 2017 onwards we drop out of the Super Rugby competition. We cancel the Shute shield and whatever the club competition is in Qld, ACT, VIC and WA.
- We meet with the heads of the NRL/ARL ask work out a long term plan to partner with key domestic Rugby clubs with their clubs to share skills, systems, resources, facilities, coaches and most importantly up and coming players. Similar to the model that exists with some clubs in the UK. The main purpose of this is to learn from them and secure access to many young players who end up playing league. The agreement must be a win-win and I would do anything, and I mean anything, to make it happen. Tradition, history etc...out the window. New dawn, new way, new partnerships, new life.
- We copy whatever has been put in place with the Qld Origin side and apply it to the Wallabies.
- Inside 3 years we will have 10 very good players vying for each Wallaby position and the benefit of a partnership with the NRL and all the skills, resources, systems and coaching they could bring.
Now, at this point I know most of you reading this are having your 2nd or 3rd heart attack. Here's the thing....nothing changes unless YOU change it. Have the guts to make the change and see what happens. Can it be any worse than what you currently have?
PS: I'm a Queensland League man but a proud Australian and it hurts me to see the drivel served up by the Wallabies and the ARU organisation. It's un-Australian and no longer acceptable. On top of that I'm sick of reading your moaning and crap ever week about the state of Rugby in Australia.
I've given you the plan and as luck has it...I'm looking for a new job.
I'm available to start tomorrow at 9am.
Time for big moves, dangerous moves, exciting moves, scary moves.
The problem is YOU Mr/Mrs Australian Rugby fan. You accept this tripe served up and then complain about it and do nothing. Now is your chance to take ownership and do something about it. Get off your couch and do something about it.
At 9am tomorrow morning stick your head out the nearest window and say really really loudly
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
First you got to get MAD!!!!
Reddog (Crazy and ready to unleash it)
YOU!
You the Australian Rugby Fan. You are the problem.Not the ARU, Not Pulver, Not the States, Not the players. You.
Why? Because you consistently put up with the completely rotten culture of Australian Rugby, from top to bottom. You keep supporting it. You keep buying tickets, turning up, accepting it.
As an Australian I deplore it. I have zero pride when the Wallabies run out and play a test. Why? Because I know they are the face of a completely and utterly rotten culture and system. Don't like what I'm saying? Let's play a game.
Monday Aug 22nd, 2016 9am I'm the new CEO of the ARU and here's what I do.
1. I donate 100% of my ARU income to struggling grass roots Rugby clubs around Australian states (all of them)
2. I sack, on the spot, 70% of any underperforming ARU office and coaching staff. They walk. There is one person to run the ARU office plus the key manual workers required. There is one coach (MC for the moment) and a few training/support staff (runners). The rest go including M. Byrne.The FAT is removed in 1 hour. I cop on the chin any future fines/penalties.
3. I cancel any commercial sponsorship contracts with Qantas, BMW and others with the Wallabies brand and remove all naming/advertising rights from Monday onwards. I cop any fines/penalties on the chin.
4. I cancel all current Wallaby ARU contracts from Monday 10am onwards.
5. I announce any Australian Rugby player who is lucky enough to be selected to represent Australia, via the Wallabies, gets paid $30K a win and $1 a loss. There are no contracts with them. They play, they win, they get paid $30K. They lose they get $1
6. I instruct Cheika to sack 3/4's of the team that played last Saturday against NZ and to replace them with Australian Rugby players, under 24 years of age, who have never played for Australia at Wallaby level. I instruct him to select from all states and must have a minimum of 3 bolters from the bush. I instruct him not to select anyone from the past. I instruct him to make 100% sure of one thing for the coming test in NZ...make sure every single player selected to represent Australia..leaves it all on the park next Saturday and not to die wondering. If they do that, and it's obvious then MC gets another week as do the players.
7. I see out the RC series with this team of players and I stick with them.
8. Post RC I announce an Australian Rugby Future meeting and invite Mark Ella, Bob Dwyer, Rod McQueen, Wayne Bennett and Mal Meninga and Wally Lewis (yes you read that correctly). At the meeting we decide on the future of Australian Rugby and it's this:
- We cancel all Australian wide private school Rugby competitions (GPS, CAS, IAS etc...) and have 1 Australian wide schools competition, open to all schools, with state based play offs that lead into a national schools carnival week for the top 8 sides to play off till a winner is found. We arrange this schools carnival week to be televised on FTA each year, including the state finals proceeding them. We cancel all state school teams including the Australian Schoolboys.
- We cancel all state based Rugby organisations like NSW/QLD/ACT etc...and have one...the ARU which is fully authoritative across all states.
- From 2017 onwards we drop out of the Super Rugby competition. We cancel the Shute shield and whatever the club competition is in Qld, ACT, VIC and WA.
- We meet with the heads of the NRL/ARL ask work out a long term plan to partner with key domestic Rugby clubs with their clubs to share skills, systems, resources, facilities, coaches and most importantly up and coming players. Similar to the model that exists with some clubs in the UK. The main purpose of this is to learn from them and secure access to many young players who end up playing league. The agreement must be a win-win and I would do anything, and I mean anything, to make it happen. Tradition, history etc...out the window. New dawn, new way, new partnerships, new life.
- We copy whatever has been put in place with the Qld Origin side and apply it to the Wallabies.
- Inside 3 years we will have 10 very good players vying for each Wallaby position and the benefit of a partnership with the NRL and all the skills, resources, systems and coaching they could bring.
Now, at this point I know most of you reading this are having your 2nd or 3rd heart attack. Here's the thing....nothing changes unless YOU change it. Have the guts to make the change and see what happens. Can it be any worse than what you currently have?
PS: I'm a Queensland League man but a proud Australian and it hurts me to see the drivel served up by the Wallabies and the ARU organisation. It's un-Australian and no longer acceptable. On top of that I'm sick of reading your moaning and crap ever week about the state of Rugby in Australia.
I've given you the plan and as luck has it...I'm looking for a new job.
I'm available to start tomorrow at 9am.
Time for big moves, dangerous moves, exciting moves, scary moves.
The problem is YOU Mr/Mrs Australian Rugby fan. You accept this tripe served up and then complain about it and do nothing. Now is your chance to take ownership and do something about it. Get off your couch and do something about it.
At 9am tomorrow morning stick your head out the nearest window and say really really loudly
"I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore"
First you got to get MAD!!!!
Reddog (Crazy and ready to unleash it)
Rugbynutter39
Michael Lynagh (62)
Even simpler.
Boycott NZ.
That solves most of our problems (England this year was a bit of an exception
No lets instead just annex New Zealand and claim it as an Australian state...
So then all concerned can claim they have the best rugby and cricket side in the world....and lets face it no one in the rest of the world really gives a rats who has the best league side in the world.
The torpedo
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Sell off Tasmania to China first - I saw it on Gruen
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