Heyneke Meyer, your thoughts on the new Bok coach?

[Blue]

Name the team now. 1-22 all Bulls.

OK maybe we add Bismarck and Brussow but that's it.

Definitely no pussies from the Cape. Who needs them? Aren't they going to become their own country or something anyhow?

In all seriousness, only a handful of Bulls will make the Bok 22. Hougaard, Flip vd Merwe, maybe a bolter like Sadie if he has a good season.

I would be surprised if Spies makes it. Meyer will pick people on form. He won't be attached to anybody. M Steyn will be a long shot but his days are numbered.

Paarl, you are the first person I have met who is not happy with Meyer as coach. Seriously. I just spent two weeks with a busload of South African guys from all over the country and everyone unanimously wanted Mayer.

I think as usual you're just being full of shit.

 

[PaarlBok]

Paarl, you are the first person I have met who is not happy with Meyer as coach. Seriously. I just spent two weeks with a busload of South African guys from all over the country and everyone unanimously wanted Mayer.

I think as usual you're just being full of shit.

Kak man, I am happy and you know it, you ask me the question before the appointment. Snor cause you enough depression over the last 4 years. Maak die Bulle Bokke is my first worry about him, 2nd his high kick and charge gameplan, 3rd Spies as capt and Meisiekind as 13. He'll be force to pick qoutas ad Basson will be in his team and last his love for chicken runners. I dont like NH players in the Bok team.

 

[Blue]

He played that game plan because he had a batallion of troops 100% made for such a plan and at the time the laws were perfect for kick chase.

He will adapt and bring in players and coaches to play a plan that he believed is most suited to the modern games but he won't stray from the core values of hard forwards, ball retention and strong defense.

Neither White not Snor had such a crop of exciting backs to work with. Meyer will pick the best to suit his plan. I really don't think you should worry about who plays 12. F Steyn, Jdv, JdeJ.

 

[PaarlBok]

Lets hope you are right. I'll only handle Spies as captain, the rest I'll critizise.

 

[PaarlBok]

By the way the Stormers an Cheetahs will provide a stream of new talent this year

 

[Brisbok]

What are your thoughts on the Lions PB? Can you see them providing a few new Boks this year? How do you see the SA conference finishing up? I have a feeling it might end something like this:

1. Stormers
2. Lions
3. Sharks
4. Bulls
5. Cheetahs

Basically just a stab in the dark as it is very hard to predict at this stage.

 

[PaarlBok]

What are your thoughts on the Lions PB? Can you see them providing a few new Boks this year?

Sure they have some good youngsters like Jantjies, Taute, Strauss and Minnie who were excellent in last years CC. They also have the best fixture list of all S A teams. Where the teams will end is to difficult to call now. Stormers and Cheetahs have a mountain to climb.

 

[luikang]

I believe he is the "author" of one of my favourite rugby quotes:

"Ballroom dancing is a contact sport. Rugby is a collision sport."

"There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." — Hemingway.

Interesting Bruce. Perhaps that is why Meyer's teams are known for their dominant, massive forward packs and Louden's for a little more subtlety.

Ain't that the South African way and style?

 

[Bruce Ross]

"There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." — Hemingway.

Yeah, torturing a poor bewildered, scared animal whose shoulder muscles have been disabled by spearing before the matador comes near him; yeah, that's sport.

And if the poor beast happens to win by goring the matador they still kill him.

By the way, luikang, I like the subtlety of your signature line.

 

[Reido]

Worst case scenario it's a lateral move. Pretty impossible for that to be the case though. I wonder if the Boks when playing the semi final against the Wallabies did what the French did with their coach in the final. Didn't listen to him and played for themselves?

 

[spooony]

Worst case scenario it's a lateral move. Pretty impossible for that to be the case though. I wonder if the Boks when playing the semi final against the Wallabies did what the French did with their coach in the final. Didn't listen to him and played for themselves?

No if they did that they would have won

Yeah, torturing a poor bewildered, scared animal whose shoulder muscles have been disabled by spearing before the matador comes near him; yeah, that's sport.

And if the poor beast happens to win by goring the matador they still kill him.

By the way, luikang, I like the subtlety of your signature line.

I never knew that until I read your reply. Did some sniffing and are disgusted. Do it the right way. Twist his ball then throw the dude with the cape in the ring. Wonder if they BBQ the bull after it

 

[PaarlBok]

Heynekes starting off. He and Rassie will make a mean team.

Heyneke sets out action plan
2012-04-17 16:18

Brenden Nel - SuperSport
Johannesburg - Heyneke Meyer may only be in the first real testing week of his tenure but he is already setting up structures that are far more advanced than the national team have ever had before.

Along with SARU’s new General Manager: High Performance Rassie Erasmus, Meyer has already set the wheels in motion to see that players are up to speed with what he wants from them ahead of the England Test series, including game plans, individual skills and a number of small intricacies that could make the world of difference when the international season rolls around.

Meyer and Erasmus have already started setting up the structures - both short and long term goals that will benefit SA Rugby, with players from the Cheetahs and Lions being the first to benefit from the new unified structure that SARU wants in place for its national teams.

For the first time at this camp, a national coach will tell his players where they rank on the national pecking order, what they need to improve in their game and how long they have to do it, and more importantly just what he’s looking for from them.

While it seems absurd that this hasn’t been the case before, in the past coaches chatted individually to players and their provincial coaches, and often it wasn’t followed up, or simply ignored.

But now, Meyer and Erasmus have already set up a system to track player statistics, and other than walking through his game plan for the England series, Meyer and Erasmus have had one-on-one meetings with all 30 players present in Johannesburg to let them know where they stand. This system will eventually include an online database where players can log in and download drills and plays so that they understand them when they get to the national camp.

New Zealand have had this system up and running for years now, with great success and their national coaches are welcomed when they visit the franchises in a country where the national team comes first.

Erasmus will help Meyer in the long-term set up similar structures for all the national age-group levels, so that players are given individual skills coaching and analysis from the national set-up so they are up to speed when they reach the national team.
It is an ambitious project, but one which, if successful, will reap the benefits of a team that uses the time they have productively to focus on beating the opposition.

Meyer already faces an uphill battle to prepare his first side in a short week after a bruising north-south derby, and will need all the help he can get to have players ready to understand his vision when they get to camp.

“Rassie already started doing some work for me behind the scenes and for the first time we have statistics on all the players. He will sit with me on the one-on-ones and we will be able to discuss with every player where they stand in relation to the national team,” Meyer explained.

“Say its Pat Cilliers for instance, I’d be able to tell him where he’s graded in relation to the other props, what he must do to improve and with three weeks left what chance he has of making the squad. Rassie will be a big help in this, and we both agree that if SA Rugby has a strong technical committee, we can produce analysis that is more substantial.”

The camp with the Cheetahs and Lions players will be followed by a second camp next week with the Sharks and Bulls players and one the week after with the Stormers players.

 

[Blue]

Finally we see some organisation happening. God knows it's been a while.

 

[PaarlBok]

Finally we see some organisation happening. God knows it's been a while.

Hope the SA supporters will support him. Fear when he pick his team, they'll give him their usual shite. His biggest obsticle will be the politics factor. Hope he have a thick skin.

 

[PaarlBok]

Heynekes reaction
Sport24

Camp attitude stuns Heyneke

2012-04-19 14:02

Pretoria - Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer says he is stunned by the attitude of the players after the first four-day Springbok Planning Camp in Pretoria.
A group of 30 players from the Cheetahs and the Lions assembled this week as part of preparations of the incoming tour against England in June.
The camps, planned in accordance with the franchises' bye weekends during the Super Rugby competition, focused on theoretical planning and a few field sessions.
"I am overwhelmed. I had expectations of the week, and I was excited going into this week," Meyer said.
"I was overwhelmed by the attitude of these players. It is unbelievable and you can't believe they are in the middle of Super Rugby, and played seven or eight hard games and a few warm-up games."
Meyer said he found the enthusiasm of the players encouraging and he was focusing on their positive attitudes rather than their reputations.
"Sometimes you don't go with the big names and the best players because what matters to me is the attitude, and the guys who really want to play for South Africa," he said.
"It is great to see the attitude of the players, and what's also been great for me was I that was worried that I didn't have enough time before England, so I thought we could get at least one or two things in place."
Meyer, who replaced Peter de Villiers at the helm after the Springboks were eliminated in the quarter-finals of last year's Rugby World Cup, said he was impressed with the players' quick grasp of what was expected of them. He also commended the franchise coaches for the work they had done.
"We've covered a lot of things, a lot of theory, and getting onto the field the players were quick to understand what we want from them," Meyer said.
"That just shows you that back at their franchises there is a lot of coaching and I think a lot of our coaches have gone up another level in rugby intelligence.
"So I am very happy with the camp. It was a great experience."
The second Planning Camp will be held next week with players from the Bulls and the Sharks, who both have Super Rugby byes, while the third camp will take place in Cape Town with Stormers players in the first week of May.
The SA Rugby Union (SARU) has invited a total of 45 players from the Bulls and the Sharks to the second camp.
"The mere fact that the players didn't think twice about sacrificing their rest week to come up to Pretoria to plan for the season ahead, says a lot about the psyche of our players here in South Africa and it's something that I'm very happy with," Meyer said.
"I know we'll have the same vibe next week when the Sharks and Bulls players come together, as well as in Cape Town early in May when we work with the Stormers."

Next camp

A total of 45 players from the Bulls and the Sharks have been invited to the second Springbok Planning Camp, which will be held in Pretoria next week.

The camp starts on Sunday, April 23 and will conclude on Thursday, April 26. The first Planning Camp concluded in Pretoria on Thursday morning. Players from the Cheetahs and Lions attended.

Both the Bulls and Sharks have a bye in Super Rugby next weekend.

“We had our first planning camp with the Cheetahs and Lions players and I’m very excited about the enthusiasm showed by the players here,” said Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer.

“The mere fact that the players didn’t think twice about sacrificing their rest week to come up to Pretoria to plan for the season ahead, says a lot about the psyche of our players here in South Africa and it’s something that I’m very happy with.

“I know we’ll have the same vibe next week when the Sharks and Bulls players come together, as well as in Cape Town early in May when we work with the Stormers.”

The third and final planning camp will take place in Cape Town with players from the Stormers from May 1-3.

Players invited to the second Springbok Planning Camp:

Forwards:
Tendai Mtawarira, Bismarck du Plessis, Craig Burden, Jannie du Plessis, Dale Chadwick, Steven Sykes, Jandré Marais, Marcell Coetzee, Keegan Daniel, Jean Deysel, Willem Alberts, Ryan Kankowski, Lubabalo Mtembu (all Sharks), Dean Greyling, Chiliboy Ralepelle, Werner Kruger, Frik Kirsten, Flip van der Merwe, Juandre Kruger, Wilhelm Steenkamp, Deon Stegmann, CJ Stander, Jacques Potgieter, Dewald Potgieter, Pierre Spies, Arno Botha (all Bulls)

Backs:
Charl McLeod, Patrick Lambie, Odwa Ndungane, Sibusiso Sithole, Tim Whitehead, JP Pietersen, Lwazi Mvovo, Louis Ludik, Riaan Viljoen (all Sharks), Francois Hougaard, Jano Vermaak, Morné Steyn, Bjorn Basson, Wynand Olivier, Francois Venter, Johann Sadie, JJ Engelbrecht, Akona Ndungane, Zane Kirchner (all Bulls)

 

[RedsHappy]

Thanks Paarl for that update re Meyer's obviously professional and thorough preparations for SA's June Tests.

We certainly do not want to leave our Wallaby fans with little to go on here in Australia.

I have a detailed update of importance from the Wallaby coaches in terms of their extensive - though highly discreet - preparations for our first Test against Scotland:










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[Bruce Ross]

You'd be nice and filthy if you were a Saffa player and didn't get invited to one of Heyneke's Springbok Training Camps. The phrase "cast of thousands" comes to mind. It reminds me of the situation a couple of decades ago when it seemed that every Kiwi player who lobbed in Sydney claimed to have been an All Blacks triallist.
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[PaarlBok]

You'd be nice and filthy if you were a Saffa player and didn't get invited to one of Heyneke's Springbok Training Camps. The phrase "cast of thousands" comes to mind. It reminds me of the situation a couple of decades ago when it seemed that every Kiwi player who lobbed in Sydney claimed to have been an All Blacks triallist.
.

Saw some footage of the first one last night. Impressive the way they put them through their paces. Heyneke look like he is well on track and pretty sure you'll see a different Springbok this year.

 

[PaarlBok]

One for Blou.