Has Woodencock been cited or not?

[barbarian]

I agree chief. It now snowballs as the weeks and months go on, because when an Aussie or Saffa or anyone for that matter is suspended they will cry out "but Woodcock got nothing". And they would be correct in their annoyance.

Except if its Bakkies, that prick deserves whatever he gets.

 

[Jnor]

anyone interested in some new 'justice4' armbands? maybe justice4consistency, justice4myth, justice4kaplan, justice4tenmillionwarnings to name but a few!

 

[Thomond78]

Look I think its as simple as this. Consistency. It's the key word.

Woodcock not being carded is inconsistent alone, but a citing is inconsistent.

I don't agree with a citing but Fourie and Cooper both were suspended, and they were also dealt with on field.

As far as I'm concerned, Australia can now do that to the All Blacks, and even if a YC is given, no citing can be given.

It's worth mentioning; Bernard Jackman did the same to a Welsh player in 2008, when the Welsh player was actually bound into the ruck and killing the ball, rather than outside it and retreating. No injury to the Welsh player. Jackman was instantly given a card by Wayne Barnes (can't remember if he was cited; given that it was the last game of the Coodercide, I think the general consensus was that he'd never be seen again, so no-one gave a toss).

So, even between international refs in international games, a clear inconsistency. It's not helping the game one little bit, is it?

 

[Sandpit Fan]

compare this incident to spear tackles. The IRB/SANZAR have had a clear approach for many seasons to attempt to eradciate these types of tackles because of the potential for serious neck and head injuries. These types of injuries reflect poorly on our game and put further pressure on the de-powering of the scrum, where most neck injuries are believed to occur.

After watching it again a few times, that is exactly what's at stake here. Point of the shoulder into the guys spine - Surely you guys who reckon it's not too bad can see the potential for disaster involved in this, and the fact it was lined up from 10m away shows a whole lot more intent to hurt/injure than the last two suspensions for spear tackles. I'm all for a hard game, but this sort of crap is a blight on the game.

The citing commissioner has lost all credibility over this as far as I am concerned.

 

[Harfish]

The citing commissioner has lost all credibility over this as far as I am concerned.

Boy did you ever say the magic words there! And this seems to be the crux of the debate here, the inconsistency of it all. Dean Mumm was yellow carded and banned for a similar offense, Bakkie Botha got a ban without a yellow card for the same thing, and Tony Woodcock gets nothing. Which is it referees and citing commissioners??

 

[Baldric]

What makes it worse is that Fangs was actually busy getting up and out of hte way when Woody cruelly took him from behind.
Armbands?

 

[MrMouse]

As far as I'm concerned, Australia can now do that to the All Blacks, and even if a YC is given, no citing can be given.

The trouble is, I don't WANT us to do that to the ABs. Cheap shots are cheap shots. And I would argue that the Woodcock cheap shot is a lot worse than the Mumm one, on the basis that Fainga'a was at least involved in the play, and blatantly infringing. YC was the right penalty for that offence, but he got two weeks as well. Thus, Woodcock must surely be rubbed out until at least Aug 23?
I appreciate the rational thinking and agreement from our friends from across the pond; it would be easy to turn this into another "you infringe, no you infringe, no no you infringe" etc parochial battle.
Crap like this is bad for the game, simple as that, and if anyone except Dick Brown does this, they're off my christmas card list. Dick was never on it.

 

[kao pointman]

report in the nz herald seems to indicate woodcock has escaped any sort of citing.

spamthis around the world i say....dead right cheating homos

 

[Joe Blow]

spamthis around the world i say....dead right cheating homos

I would slot "F*#*ing" in there somewhere and that would just about be it.

 

[Muttonbird]

What makes it worse is that Fangs was actually busy getting up and out of hte way when Woody cruelly took him from behind.
Armbands?

The footage I was watching showed that Fainga'a was anything but busy getting up and out of the way. By my (admittedly rudimentary) measurement, 5 seconds elapsed from Finger becoming stationary on the ground to Woodcock's impact. That's quite a long time to be loitering in the opposition's backline when you are supposed to be on defence. Not condoning Woodcock's actions though - there are other, less dangerous, ways to correct that sort of ruck infringement.

 

[DPK]

The footage I was watching showed that Fainga'a was anything but busy getting up and out of the way. By my (admittedly rudimentary) measurement, 5 seconds elapsed from Finger becoming stationary on the ground to Woodcock's impact. That's quite a long time to be loitering in the opposition's backline when you are supposed to be on defence. Not condoning Woodcock's actions though - there are other, less dangerous, ways to correct that sort of ruck infringement.

I understand your argument, but as most players would agree, to stand up immeadiatly would have exposed his back to the opposition forwards looking to (legally) clear him from the ruck area. You'd have to missing a few to willingly expose your back in a live ruck to the likes of Read and Kaino.