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Dave Cowper (27)
A lot of Barnes' passes have been going slightly behind the man this year. Hopefully he will improve in the coming weeks.
There was one passage of play against the bulls where the Tahs were running around the half way line like chooks with their heads cut off. One of Barnes or Hangers needed to drill/skid the ball into the corner to settle the play down. Instead I think it was Barnes who eventually dropped back into the pocket and kicked a "slow" ball straight to the winger.
There was one passage of play against the bulls where the Tahs were running around the half way line like chooks with their heads cut off. One of Barnes or Hangers needed to drill/skid the ball into the corner to settle the play down. Instead I think it was Barnes who eventually dropped back into the pocket and kicked a "slow" ball straight to the winger.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
I think Halangahu would do well for the Wallabies if he was called up, given the right circumstances.
I was very happy with his performance for the Waratahs this week. I think he plays (albeit in a very important and skillful position) the 'water carrier' role (please excuse the football reference) for the Waratahs - the guy who does his job well without being exceptional, and most importantly is very reliable. I wouldn't want a team of Halangahus, but I also wouldn't want a team of Campeses (a team of Ealess would be fine though). So he plays the calm steadying role whilst others play a more mercurial role.
I was very happy with his performance for the Waratahs this week. I think he plays (albeit in a very important and skillful position) the 'water carrier' role (please excuse the football reference) for the Waratahs - the guy who does his job well without being exceptional, and most importantly is very reliable. I wouldn't want a team of Halangahus, but I also wouldn't want a team of Campeses (a team of Ealess would be fine though). So he plays the calm steadying role whilst others play a more mercurial role.
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Mark Ella (57)
Hmm whos a better flyhalf out of Hangers, Barnes, Gits, Cooper, To'omua? If it was last year i would have said Barnes. But now after round 3 of the super 14 im going to say
1. Cooper
2. Hangers
3. To'omua
4. Gits
5. Barnes
Cooper atm is playing better then the rest. Not being too flashy, but creating chances, althought one or two defensive lapses still occurring. The tahs have looked better when hangers is at 10, barnes has been playing awful for me, i always thought he was Mr Solid (when he wasnt injured), So what's this say about our so called wallaby vice-captain. Well at this stage i dont even think he'll get on the bench. Id rather Hangers now.
Gits probably deserves to be higher in my list, he's a fantastic player but the reason i put him as only 4 is that im still pissed off he's a flyhalf and not at 12. Like mentioned b4 he's a running flyhalf..... a running flyhalf? WTF there should be no such thing, They should have an instinct/priorty to pass first, run second, Its essential for a flyhalf to be very Team motivated and for me gits is a selfish player (not being too hard on gits, he's worked hard to be where he's at, its just that he doesnt have the flyhalf instinct , he has the running/looking for gaps for himself instinct). Hangers I believe has a better mindset for a flyhalf.
However i dont think hangers can get any better, which means he will always be Mr. Solid or Mr Consistency but never Mr. Fantastic. Its only round 3 in super 14 and a lot can change, Barnes to find form again. To'omua with more game time, Cooper continuing good form, and we find hangers at the bottom of the list again. Dont think he will ever start a wallabies game, If ur going for a solid flyhalf player id probably rather To'omua.
1. Cooper
2. Hangers
3. To'omua
4. Gits
5. Barnes
Cooper atm is playing better then the rest. Not being too flashy, but creating chances, althought one or two defensive lapses still occurring. The tahs have looked better when hangers is at 10, barnes has been playing awful for me, i always thought he was Mr Solid (when he wasnt injured), So what's this say about our so called wallaby vice-captain. Well at this stage i dont even think he'll get on the bench. Id rather Hangers now.
Gits probably deserves to be higher in my list, he's a fantastic player but the reason i put him as only 4 is that im still pissed off he's a flyhalf and not at 12. Like mentioned b4 he's a running flyhalf..... a running flyhalf? WTF there should be no such thing, They should have an instinct/priorty to pass first, run second, Its essential for a flyhalf to be very Team motivated and for me gits is a selfish player (not being too hard on gits, he's worked hard to be where he's at, its just that he doesnt have the flyhalf instinct , he has the running/looking for gaps for himself instinct). Hangers I believe has a better mindset for a flyhalf.
However i dont think hangers can get any better, which means he will always be Mr. Solid or Mr Consistency but never Mr. Fantastic. Its only round 3 in super 14 and a lot can change, Barnes to find form again. To'omua with more game time, Cooper continuing good form, and we find hangers at the bottom of the list again. Dont think he will ever start a wallabies game, If ur going for a solid flyhalf player id probably rather To'omua.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
It is difficult to compare Barnes and Halangahu based on the last 3 weeks as the overall team performance, and particularly the quality of the ball they were getting, was much much better for Halangahu. Barnes will get other opportunities, and I'm sure (hopeful) he'll make good use of good ball.
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PhucNgo
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Agree Hangers did well against an imposing Bulls team atw, even did all he could to make Carter look good. But realistically he has limited potential at S14 level let alone the test arena. A bit like Ronan O'Gara without the dead-eye boot (but can tackle).
As for his right foot step, well, its right up there with his dummy. It worked once last year (probably to his amazement) when he scored a try, but will probably never fool anyone again (as it didn't against the Bulls). For mine, the main weakness that he has, unfortunately, is one that can't easily be corrected; he just doesn't have pace off the mark. I think even Noddy would still blow him off the park over 15-20 metres.
As for his right foot step, well, its right up there with his dummy. It worked once last year (probably to his amazement) when he scored a try, but will probably never fool anyone again (as it didn't against the Bulls). For mine, the main weakness that he has, unfortunately, is one that can't easily be corrected; he just doesn't have pace off the mark. I think even Noddy would still blow him off the park over 15-20 metres.
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Nicholas Shehadie (39)
Hangers has been compared to Larkham and Wilkinson in this thread. That is like comparing Ben Hand to John Eales and Martin Johnson.
He does ok at S14 level. He does well at club level. He plays a lot like a halfback in rugby league. As has been mentioned, he doesnt have a long passing or kicking game. He doesn't have the guile, step, speed or strength to bust defensive lines and isnt a tactical genius.
If he plays for the Wallabies I would expect there to be a significant injury list first. I'd also think we would be (even more?) unlikely to win any major trophy with him in the team as it would reflect poorly on our depth.
He does ok at S14 level. He does well at club level. He plays a lot like a halfback in rugby league. As has been mentioned, he doesnt have a long passing or kicking game. He doesn't have the guile, step, speed or strength to bust defensive lines and isnt a tactical genius.
If he plays for the Wallabies I would expect there to be a significant injury list first. I'd also think we would be (even more?) unlikely to win any major trophy with him in the team as it would reflect poorly on our depth.
PhucNgo said:
It'd be close, but give me a few weeks of training...
I'd have no problems with Hangers playing a test for us. He wouldn't be my first choice (Cooper would be), but I'd argue that he should be picked there ahead of Berrick and Gits (at 10 at least, and on current form).
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This thread has had it all. :thumb
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Sydney Middleton (9)
I think Hangers is a high quality controlling fly- half. He will very rarely beat the man with his feet or individual skill but has an understanding of what is the best option for the game situation. I do have some minor worries though about his option taking when he is under pressure and going backwards.
Hangers may be a credible option for the Wallabies but would require someone with individual brilliance and ability to beat the man 1 on 1, like Gits, to play outside him.
Unfortunately, I believe Barnes and Hangers are too alike to be a successful 10 and 12 combination , neither properly address the others weaknesses.
Hangers may be a credible option for the Wallabies but would require someone with individual brilliance and ability to beat the man 1 on 1, like Gits, to play outside him.
Unfortunately, I believe Barnes and Hangers are too alike to be a successful 10 and 12 combination , neither properly address the others weaknesses.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
Cooper as much a liability as anything else at test level.
As I have said many times before he needs to loose his fear of contact, and then he will fix all problems with his game:
1. Dropping the ball when a defender is bearing down on him
2. Pushing a pass in a tackle when it isn't on
3. Inefficient tackling
As I have said many times before he needs to loose his fear of contact, and then he will fix all problems with his game:
1. Dropping the ball when a defender is bearing down on him
2. Pushing a pass in a tackle when it isn't on
3. Inefficient tackling
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Hangers has been underrated in the past as a Super14 player because he didn't take his chances when they came up. To those of us who admired him for Sydney Uni, often reluctantly, it was unaccountable. Understandably many Sydneysiders gave him a tag of "club player only" but I wasn't so sure.
I was taken by his performance in the RSA at the end of the 2009 S14, and after another sterling club season in 2009 advised folks not to write him off for 2010. This year: I thought he lifted the backline when he came off the bench for the Tahs in Rd 1 against the Reds and did a grand job last weekend starting against the Bulls until the Tahs forwards stopped dominating at the ruck.
So; he's been underrated in the past as a Super player and is now finding his feet at that level; but now he is probably being over-rated by some as a Wallaby prospect.
Watch this space though - Daniel is a quiet achiever, albeit with some limitations. With a bit more progression in the Super14 and an injury or two to others, he could be in a Oz squad - especially if he runs to the goal line for the Tahs a bit more and steps off his right foot.
PS: On other Uni players last weekend. I thought Carter had his best game ever for the Tahs in Pretoria, though that may be faint praise - and Daisy Dennis surprised me a bit. Having said he is too much of a short-arse to be picked as a 2nd rower in the Super14, he was, and he played well.
I was taken by his performance in the RSA at the end of the 2009 S14, and after another sterling club season in 2009 advised folks not to write him off for 2010. This year: I thought he lifted the backline when he came off the bench for the Tahs in Rd 1 against the Reds and did a grand job last weekend starting against the Bulls until the Tahs forwards stopped dominating at the ruck.
So; he's been underrated in the past as a Super player and is now finding his feet at that level; but now he is probably being over-rated by some as a Wallaby prospect.
Watch this space though - Daniel is a quiet achiever, albeit with some limitations. With a bit more progression in the Super14 and an injury or two to others, he could be in a Oz squad - especially if he runs to the goal line for the Tahs a bit more and steps off his right foot.
PS: On other Uni players last weekend. I thought Carter had his best game ever for the Tahs in Pretoria, though that may be faint praise - and Daisy Dennis surprised me a bit. Having said he is too much of a short-arse to be picked as a 2nd rower in the Super14, he was, and he played well.
TheRiddler
Dave Cowper (27)
Lee Grant said:
Mea culpa on GAGR? Whatever next?!
A fine example set there Lee that I am sure will be promptly followed by everyone else that makes erroneous bold statements and predictions.
Hmmmmmmm........... :
Perhaps not.
the gambler
Dave Cowper (27)
TheRiddler said:Lee Grant said:
Mea culpa on GAGR? Whatever next?!
A fine example set there Lee that I am sure will be promptly followed by everyone else that makes erroneous bold statements and predictions.
Hmmmmmmm........... :
Perhaps not.
Well despite the press thinking Mowen would hang onto the 6 Jersey they have pushed Dennis back here and dropped Mowen to the bench to allow Mumm back into the team. I like that selection. Pity about the backs.
Viking
Mark Ella (57)
I disagree, i think a game against fiji should involve a few bolters such as horne or fainifo. Would be silly to put Gits, mortlock, barnes starting. Dont think halandahu deserves a start tho even against fiji, cooper should be the starting flyhalf to see how his defence goes. To'omua im not so sure about at 12 but should def come off the bench to fill in flyhalf, lealiifano i wouldnt mind seeing in a wallabies jersy.
Id have 9. Genia 10. Cooper 11. Digby 12. lealiifano 13. Horne 14. Fainifo 15. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper).. To'omua off the bench. This includes some regular starters as well as some players which still need to prove themselves. Should be a good game.
Id have 9. Genia 10. Cooper 11. Digby 12. lealiifano 13. Horne 14. Fainifo 15. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper).. To'omua off the bench. This includes some regular starters as well as some players which still need to prove themselves. Should be a good game.
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