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I can't comment on the force, but the Reds 22 has been rotated, and the bench used almost entirely each week.
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PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
The bigger S15 franchises like the Stormers have a S15 squad of 31
http://www.thestormers.co.za/profiles.asp
a Vodacom Squad of 30
http://www.wprugby.com/content.asp?id=14731
The CC u21s will be included in this sqauds but the U19s still have to be contracted (they are in the Academy at the moment)and will probably gives you 90 contracted players.
Maties have contracted their players since this year and the good ones will probably slot in with the other sqauds once the CC com[petitions started.
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Ken Catchpole (46)
I thought it was mostly Waratahs fans who blamed Hickey for not making rotations.
And I don't know if it was so much that, or if it was that he brought players back from injury too soon. But almost every coach does that.
And I don't know if it was so much that, or if it was that he brought players back from injury too soon. But almost every coach does that.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
I think the issue is that yes you can bring players in as injury cover but these players arnt part of the system and dont develop the same look at the saffas that have and extra team to call upon who most if not all are proven and could make the step uo with not to much fuss and they are in a profs environment and wont need weeks to get there head around the team and the way the club want to play.
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Peter Fenwicke (45)
The 30 man squad limit no longer makes sense. WaratahJesus raises a good point about why it was there to start with but now all 5 Aus S15 franchises have their base squads in place. So the 30 man limitation should be removed and instead there should be a budget for player related costs for each franchise. Initially it should be the same for each franchise. But overtime they should look to the budget being related to how much money each franchise is making so that some franchises don't go to the wall by overspending in an attempt to keep up with the neighbours.
If a franchise does good business and can afford to have 35-40 players on the same money as another franchise spends 30 then more power to them. Of course they presents them with the additional headace of what to do with the extra 5-10 guys when there is no injury crisis. But other teams in S15 and around the world seem to cope with this just fine.
If a franchise does good business and can afford to have 35-40 players on the same money as another franchise spends 30 then more power to them. Of course they presents them with the additional headace of what to do with the extra 5-10 guys when there is no injury crisis. But other teams in S15 and around the world seem to cope with this just fine.
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
I think the easy solution that could be implemented by 2014 could be take 5 full contracts away and add 10 EPS level spots, this would leave us with 25 full contracts and 15 EPS. Presuming an EPS player get's around 50-60% of what an average full player gets your fees will only go up marginally.
Now this would lead to far more of the EPS players having to play the majority of the season, so we'd have to see those rules modified a bit, but it would see more players getting a crack overall. We'd also have to bring in a rule saying an EPS player can only be on your books for 2 seasons without being elevated to a full contract or something then you'd be set.
Another benefit of this is since the EPS spots are Aussies only and cheap then you'd get more clubs happy to take a risk on a Scott Fardy type player than a Toby Lynn type player.
Thoughts? It's obviously far from perfect but you could mould it into something workable.
Now this would lead to far more of the EPS players having to play the majority of the season, so we'd have to see those rules modified a bit, but it would see more players getting a crack overall. We'd also have to bring in a rule saying an EPS player can only be on your books for 2 seasons without being elevated to a full contract or something then you'd be set.
Another benefit of this is since the EPS spots are Aussies only and cheap then you'd get more clubs happy to take a risk on a Scott Fardy type player than a Toby Lynn type player.
Thoughts? It's obviously far from perfect but you could mould it into something workable.
PaarlBok
Rod McCall (65)
The Reds and Tahs have academies to pull players from easily. For the other Aus franchise its one phone call away. Should not be a problem. NZ have their B team matches , SA have the Vodacom Cup to keep the rest of the sqauds busy. Aus should get a provincial compo up and running like the Vodacom Cup and the reason why Jake White qouted that you dont have depth.
en_force_er
Geoff Shaw (53)
Yes but the ARU have decided that not having depth is a necessity to continue to exist. Money doesn't grow on trees sadly.
GaffaCHinO
Peter Sullivan (51)
Its not an issue about player being avaliable but that they arent part of a pro setup and there development is limited. If they were able to train full time with super teams and be part of the organisation i think we would see a dramatic rise in aus standards.
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Stirling Mortlock (74)
Actually we don't have academies to pull players from any more, there's two Sydney and Brisbane based ARU academies but these guys are generally too young and not Super rugby level yet. Besides they're not even playing regularly against each other, most of them are playing club colts on the weekend.
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