Tomikin
David Codey (61)
It was Chekia Beale on the grassy knoll
EOYT 2014
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Biffo
Ken Catchpole (46)
here's a serious question.
how much input did TGC (and for that matter, Nathan Grey) have in selecting the squad?
i have information from the doorway between inside and outside that the squad was selected, after The Coach ran away, by the assistants and someone at ARU headquarters and then handed to TGC
Biffo
Ken Catchpole (46)
i will do the research.
i was hoping you had it at your fingertips.
memory suggests to me that the Waratahs won all games against Queensland in those years
if so, a curious sequence and subject for a bit of chat.
i'll be back.
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Darby Loudon (17)
Hence I said "Professional Era". 9 starting in a 2 team system back in 1991 isn't all that unexpected.
1999 RWC side that won in final= 3
2003 RWC side that lost final= 6
When we beat the All Blacks in the professional era the mean is 4.1, the median is 4.
None of this means anything but is true. Much like the fact only 4 Australian fly-halves have ever beaten the All Blacks and only 2 have ever done it more than once.
Why would I?
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Darby Loudon (17)
It's interesting that a few posts dropped back to the amatuer days. I believe one of the truly greta problems facing Aus rugby is the fact that so many in club land and the media continual try to stay relevant, when the haven't been relevant since the early 90s. The game as moved on. Not all clubs are impacted by this, but many are. There is a reason that some of the most dominant clubs in the 90s haven't had any success since. The way it's always been done. This flows through to the national team at times.
For some reason we seem happy to snare a win here and there. We seem happy to compete, win 4/5 in Europe, beat SA and NZ occasionally and go on our merry way. This makes absolutely no sense. NZ wouldn't be happy with this, nor would SA.
Some facts about the professional era and Aus.
We are the MOST successful RWC nation in the professional era, not by much, but we are.
The kiwis have their ridiculous 80% winning record. They finally snuck home in a home world cup against a side who already had lost TWICE at the RWC. But even considering their Ron Clarke-esque shortcomings, they are the top team of the professional era.
Of the rest, SA has winning percentage of 64.37% and we clock in at 63.48%. Both nations have won a RWC in another hemisphere. (The NH teams come in around 50-60% but have a grossly inferior schedule, poor RWC performances and losing records against SH teams)
What is interesting thought is we have played the All Blacks 5 more times than SA have. We also a winning record vs SA.
So superior head to head, superior strength of schedule, superior RWC performances, for all intensive purposes we are clearly the second best nation of the pro era.
In addition rugby is a minority sport here, 3rd/4th football code. No real media coverage.
We won the 1999 RWC with 90 professional players. The LEAST of any major rugby nation. In 2003, we came second, again with 90. Scotland overtook us as having the least by then.
My point is we go pretty well at this game. But for some reasons people don't demand enough. We continue to pick guys who just wanna party, who go out, lose a game they should win and and on the piss having the time of their lives, rather than saying we could do better. We should see ourselves as a top rugby nation and act accordingly. The Kiwis do. In fact they pick solely guys who will get the job done, not necessarily Super rugby form or even if they've played in 10 months.
Go watch the last 10 minutes of the SA test. Watch Beales performance. Tell me if that is fitting of not only someone who is representing their country, but also working their ass off chasing the guy in front. Or is it the performance of a guy who checked out already after sitting on the bench for 70 minutes. Trying to work out how many drinks he can get in the few hours before a 4am 14 HOUR flight.
Beale certainly isn't the only one, but he is the very personification off everything wrong with Australian rugby.
This post kinda turned into a Beale relevant post but it wasn't intended to be. We should all demand more at all levels, otherwise we will end up like the Yanks, waiting for a miracle cure rather than maximising what we have now.
For some reason we seem happy to snare a win here and there. We seem happy to compete, win 4/5 in Europe, beat SA and NZ occasionally and go on our merry way. This makes absolutely no sense. NZ wouldn't be happy with this, nor would SA.
Some facts about the professional era and Aus.
We are the MOST successful RWC nation in the professional era, not by much, but we are.
The kiwis have their ridiculous 80% winning record. They finally snuck home in a home world cup against a side who already had lost TWICE at the RWC. But even considering their Ron Clarke-esque shortcomings, they are the top team of the professional era.
Of the rest, SA has winning percentage of 64.37% and we clock in at 63.48%. Both nations have won a RWC in another hemisphere. (The NH teams come in around 50-60% but have a grossly inferior schedule, poor RWC performances and losing records against SH teams)
What is interesting thought is we have played the All Blacks 5 more times than SA have. We also a winning record vs SA.
So superior head to head, superior strength of schedule, superior RWC performances, for all intensive purposes we are clearly the second best nation of the pro era.
In addition rugby is a minority sport here, 3rd/4th football code. No real media coverage.
We won the 1999 RWC with 90 professional players. The LEAST of any major rugby nation. In 2003, we came second, again with 90. Scotland overtook us as having the least by then.
My point is we go pretty well at this game. But for some reasons people don't demand enough. We continue to pick guys who just wanna party, who go out, lose a game they should win and and on the piss having the time of their lives, rather than saying we could do better. We should see ourselves as a top rugby nation and act accordingly. The Kiwis do. In fact they pick solely guys who will get the job done, not necessarily Super rugby form or even if they've played in 10 months.
Go watch the last 10 minutes of the SA test. Watch Beales performance. Tell me if that is fitting of not only someone who is representing their country, but also working their ass off chasing the guy in front. Or is it the performance of a guy who checked out already after sitting on the bench for 70 minutes. Trying to work out how many drinks he can get in the few hours before a 4am 14 HOUR flight.
Beale certainly isn't the only one, but he is the very personification off everything wrong with Australian rugby.
This post kinda turned into a Beale relevant post but it wasn't intended to be. We should all demand more at all levels, otherwise we will end up like the Yanks, waiting for a miracle cure rather than maximising what we have now.
Tomikin
David Codey (61)
No offence but do we fucking sound happy?
Edit: read it all.. We are not happy as in us who demand more of them..we sound like a miserable pack of fluffybunnys
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Except he went to uni in QLD
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So I got up to go to yoga to feel more zen after this Beale drama had me all fired up and my housemate had the wallabies on. I noticed Simmons score a great try so can I say Simmons for 6? What an athlete!
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David Wilson (68)
Train, I understand your point (about making it hard to support Wallabis), I usually support Wallabies as second team etc as I live here, but can't be bothered at this stage, enjoyed watching a recorded test between SA/England this morning and just watched second half of Wallabies game. It really is a soap opera.
I wonder if there a lot of cowboys on ARU, because they certainly seem to be type that have itchy trigger fingers and keep shooting themselves in the bloody foot!!
I wonder if there a lot of cowboys on ARU, because they certainly seem to be type that have itchy trigger fingers and keep shooting themselves in the bloody foot!!
You can say it, but that was his highlight reel. Leave him at 5. Start 3-D printing another Fardy ASAP.
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Watty Friend (18)
Would it be an idea to have say 2 midweek games against top end clubs to give reserve players a game and see how possible combinations work.
I wouldn't have one every week but after every 2nd saturday game?
I wouldn't have one every week but after every 2nd saturday game?
You could, but you'd be wrong.
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David Codey (61)
I like to see his argument on why KB (Kurtley Beale) should be ranked ahead of Bernard.
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Foley was directly responsible for 4 or 5 turnovers by my count... Understandably the French defence was rushing, but you need to adjust your depth and distance if that's the case, rushing defence opens vulnerabilities behind the defensive line and on inside channels, none of which I saw exploited.
Foley is a great kicker, by that reason alone he needs to be in the squad as the rest of the team doesn't present enough attacking threat. But is there a way Quade and Foley can start in the team together?
Foley is a great kicker, by that reason alone he needs to be in the squad as the rest of the team doesn't present enough attacking threat. But is there a way Quade and Foley can start in the team together?
I don't really see how. If Quade is playing well, I reckon his best is better, so I'd start him, Foley on the bench. I think it's an either /or proposition.
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John Solomon (38)
Mate no dickheads it is a general statement that refers to a team ethos. There will be different personalities in every team, some who don't get on, some who no-one wants to have a beer with after a game. I also couldn't care less if hooper was a "genuinely shit bloke" as it has not resulted in team disharmony, resignations, loss of public support.
On the other hand Beale has shown to be divisive, recalcitrant, and a serial offender. He is the text book case study of what counts as a no dickheads policy.
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