England - Where to without Jonny?
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Mark Ella (57)
I have no particular hate (stupid fucking word as nobody should hate over a game of sport) for the English. Thompson and Ashton are enough to put any body off supporting a team they play in.
If I was not to like the English for something it would be for testing nuclear weapons on our soil.
If I was not to like the English for something it would be for testing nuclear weapons on our soil.
AngrySeahorse
Peter Sullivan (51)
Pretty sure it started with the convict days.
Goes back way further than that. I'd say the Irish, Scots, Germans, etc that came to Australia already had issues with England waaaayyyyy before this point. Look at the history books the English have shat on other countries from a great height for a long time its def the imperial born to rule bullshit that has characterised them over time. That being said the 'hate' at least from my point of view is just when it comes to sporting contests and the like, the Poms I know give back as good as they take.
EDIT: I forgot about the nukes though, that was poor.
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International Badboy
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sorry it should be all there drunk band wagon supporters think they have a right to win
Absolutely, we should thank them for giving us Rugby, cricket and any other sport we can beat them at.
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Mark Ella (57)
God bless that Pommy tool who had the cheek to think he could get away with picking up the ball in the middle of a game of soccer.
I guess they have been cheating longer than we thought. :lmao:
BTW was Bryce Lawrence the ref in that game of soccer. :lmao:
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Jim Lenehan (48)
cricket?
Sir Arthur Higgins
Dick Tooth (41)
The obvious candidate post Johnny is Toby Flood in the short term. In the medium term, England have great prospects in Owen Farrell and Billy Twelvetrees. Add into the mix that I think Danny Cipriani will give serious consideration to returning to the UK should Johnson resign or be fired.
I thought Johnson in a sense panicked in the world cup. they played some great rugby at times in the 6 nations and on their tour down to aus. in the cup he reverted to his old boys - starting wilkinson, keeping nick easter and lewis moody in the squad - and more than that he reverted to his old pattern of play. Even his coaching staff are relics from the 2003 world cup and style of play. He figured it won him a cup and got them to a final in 2007, how could it go wrong. but, the world and the game had move beyond that style of play and thank the lord for it.
I think is time has to be over. He succeeded in the 6 nations this year, but failed miserably in the world cup.
Who looks to take over?
Mccall at Saracens is doing great things
Nick Mallet is free
John Kirwan?
I thought Johnson in a sense panicked in the world cup. they played some great rugby at times in the 6 nations and on their tour down to aus. in the cup he reverted to his old boys - starting wilkinson, keeping nick easter and lewis moody in the squad - and more than that he reverted to his old pattern of play. Even his coaching staff are relics from the 2003 world cup and style of play. He figured it won him a cup and got them to a final in 2007, how could it go wrong. but, the world and the game had move beyond that style of play and thank the lord for it.
I think is time has to be over. He succeeded in the 6 nations this year, but failed miserably in the world cup.
Who looks to take over?
Mccall at Saracens is doing great things
Nick Mallet is free
John Kirwan?
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Mark Ella (57)
Stupid thing he started some good stuff then didn't follow through with it. He made a rod for his own back by letting players undermine his authority. The Ashton show pony when scoring a try thing. Against coaches orders he pulled the same stunt the next week and got away with it. That sort of stuff sets a precident.
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Fredfreduels
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I thought (besides his goal kicking) Wilkinson was pretty good at the world cup.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Some of this England team are victims of the RWC syndrome: hanging on for one last campaign. You can't really blame players for continuing to play to earn a living, but you can blame selectors for sticking to the old players too long in the national team. It was different in 2003: that was one of the best teams of the professional era and all the players, more or less, were at their peaks, or not far from it.
I wouldn't put Jonny in the hanging on too long category because he deliberately went to play club rugby in France despite the general warning to all England qualified players that England based players would be preferred, other things being equal.
They picked him anyway. For all the players they have, they don't have a lot of good candidates for the 10 jersey as they do at scrumhalf. It's their own fault since they had Kiwis Evans, Gopperth and McAllister starting for their clubs last season. Flood will likely have the job until up and comers like his 18 y.o. Leicester team mate George Ford comes of age. The experienced alternatives all have some problem with their play, or like Hodgson or Goode, they are also past their best.
Jonno has not been innovative in bringing new players on. Ashton and Foden were selected, but a year too late. 12. Hape was a worthwhile alternative to the expansive Flutey but didn't work out in the end and that made the retention of pensioner 13. Tindall all the more important. The one shining innovation was the selection of centre M. Tuilagi. I thought that Jonno, given his innate conservatism would wait until after the RWC but he gave him a shot in the trials and he ended up being the best England back in the RWC.
In the forwards, taking serial crock 7. Moody to the RWC was a gamble that failed. 8. Easter was poor and 6. Croft was just OK. Lawes was good against Argentina in the 2nd row but was suspended during the tournament. All the others were just workmanlike except the excellent THP Cole.
I agreed with starting veteran 2. Thompson. The shorter the time that nutter Hartley can spend on the park the better. The loss of LHP Sheridan was key because it meant that Stevens, a good THP was forced to play LHP only to be found out.
Worse than the play of the individual forwards the team play, long the hallmark of England teams, was poor. They played some horrible rugby, not that Australia has been a lot better, and their behaviour was atrocious. They are home now and the RWC is better off without them.
I wouldn't put Jonny in the hanging on too long category because he deliberately went to play club rugby in France despite the general warning to all England qualified players that England based players would be preferred, other things being equal.
They picked him anyway. For all the players they have, they don't have a lot of good candidates for the 10 jersey as they do at scrumhalf. It's their own fault since they had Kiwis Evans, Gopperth and McAllister starting for their clubs last season. Flood will likely have the job until up and comers like his 18 y.o. Leicester team mate George Ford comes of age. The experienced alternatives all have some problem with their play, or like Hodgson or Goode, they are also past their best.
Jonno has not been innovative in bringing new players on. Ashton and Foden were selected, but a year too late. 12. Hape was a worthwhile alternative to the expansive Flutey but didn't work out in the end and that made the retention of pensioner 13. Tindall all the more important. The one shining innovation was the selection of centre M. Tuilagi. I thought that Jonno, given his innate conservatism would wait until after the RWC but he gave him a shot in the trials and he ended up being the best England back in the RWC.
In the forwards, taking serial crock 7. Moody to the RWC was a gamble that failed. 8. Easter was poor and 6. Croft was just OK. Lawes was good against Argentina in the 2nd row but was suspended during the tournament. All the others were just workmanlike except the excellent THP Cole.
I agreed with starting veteran 2. Thompson. The shorter the time that nutter Hartley can spend on the park the better. The loss of LHP Sheridan was key because it meant that Stevens, a good THP was forced to play LHP only to be found out.
Worse than the play of the individual forwards the team play, long the hallmark of England teams, was poor. They played some horrible rugby, not that Australia has been a lot better, and their behaviour was atrocious. They are home now and the RWC is better off without them.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
My picks would be:
1. Jim Mallinder - Northampton Saints coach.
2. Daylight
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fjahnin45f
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That maybe the problem with them. In a long time just a unique one arise and what's next....?
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Dick Tooth (41)
it was more the style of play they played and i get the feeling having johnny available to play at 10, bolstered johnson's confidence in playing that style of game.
didn't work and they were massively lucky to top that pool and in fact get out of the pool. they should've lost two games!
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Ted Fahey (11)
True, but you can't underplay the kicking problem. As SAH points out, Johnson chose Johnny for a certain gameplan which revolves entirely around kicking. With his kicking going awry, this royally screwed up their gameplan. Instead of regularly ticking over the scoreboard in threes, they started to fall further and further behind and found themselves kicking for the corners.
The alternative was to take Flood at 10 and go for an expansive game. Who knows what would have happened if Johnson had done this, but he didn't and the rest is history.
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Andrew Slack (58)
Fascinating choice of avatar.
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