England v New Zealand @ Twickenham

[Inside Shoulder]

Only on Setanta, as is Wales. Scotland is on Fox, though.

sounds like an interesting game - Shags has the sh1ts with replays (he's got a point) owens sounds muddled again.
Bit of something got Coles 10.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

I've only seen a coupla highlights packages & don't usually do the blame the ref thing but there's no fucking way Coles should've got a YC & the PT was at best doubtful - maybe a pen for GOAT detaching early, though he'd probably argue that it was going sideways so fast he couldn't hang on. And as for re-reviewing a try when the conversion is being lined up, WTF.

Anyhoo, as someone noted above it's a bit like the Dunners match - England good in the1st half & ahead at HT; AB come out & do the damage in 3rd 1/4; England, well out've it by now, come home with a wet sail & look like they got closer than they really did.

 

[Shelts89]

don't usually do the blame the ref thing but there's no fucking way Coles should've got a YC & the PT was at best doubtful

Completely agree the PT was doubtful, but I think the YC was fair. Lashing out with the boot at a exposed ankle is hardly good behaviour, even if you are being held in a ruck.

But yeah the late try meant the scoreline flattered us.

 

[Grant NZ]

Completely agree the PT was doubtful, but I think the YC was fair. Lashing out with the boot at a exposed ankle is hardly good behaviour, even if you are being held in a ruck.

But yeah the late try meant the scoreline flattered us.

Lashing out blindly more like. Seeing as the ankle was behind him and not belonging to Hartley, I don't think Coles was aiming for it.

I've seen worse let go but I've seen less carded, I don't really have a problem with that.

That penalty conceded 1m out in front of England's posts could well have been a YC though perhaps it was marginal enough that Owens felt he could give the benefit of the doubt. Which was the reasoning behind not carding Fekitoa in the first June test in NZ, but I doubt many English fans will make that connection.

 

[Grant NZ]

Oh and on the TMO after the try was awarded thing.

I don't think it's good game management to be reacting to the crowd that blatantly, but in fairness to Owens he was obviously checking for a knock on or whatever rather than reviewing the try as a whole (as he awarded it after one replay that didn't show the ball being grounded). Perhaps he thought the crowd had spotted Faumuina losing it on the pickup and wanted to avoid a controversial score.

I think the crowd was thinking the ball was grounded short in the mistaken belief that the advertising in goal was the tryline. And they were probably sore due to a mistaken belief that Cruden hadn't grounded it.

 

[Shelts89]

Oh and on the TMO after the try was awarded thing.

I don't think it's good game management to be reacting to the crowd that blatantly, but in fairness to Owens he was obviously checking for a knock on or whatever rather than reviewing the try as a whole (as he awarded it after one replay that didn't show the ball being grounded). Perhaps he thought the crowd had spotted Faumuina losing it on the pickup and wanted to avoid a controversial score.

I think the crowd was thinking the ball was grounded short in the mistaken belief that the advertising in goal was the tryline. And they were probably sore due to a mistaken belief that Cruden hadn't grounded it.

I had completely forgotten about that, though he came to the right conclusion in the end.

 

[Shelts89]

Lashing out blindly more like. Seeing as the ankle was behind him and not belonging to Hartley, I don't think Coles was aiming for it.

I've seen worse let go but I've seen less carded, I don't really have a problem with that.

Yeah I have seen worse let go, but these days if you lash out with your boot, or hand then expect a card. Just the way the game is these days

 

[Grant NZ]

I had completely forgotten about that, though he came to the right conclusion in the end.

The call in the end was fine, but it's not good game management IMO.

 

[Beefcake]

What part of convincingly outplayed and the scoreline flattered us did you not get?

As a pom I am allowed to be frustrated when we don't seem to be making any progress against the SH sides. As for Owens I still disagree, other than the penalty try to us ( I wouldn't have given it), I can't think of any controversial decisions.

I was targeting my rant at Owens and the rest of the refereeing fraternity for their diabolical standards and more general comment. Eng is the Wobs equivalents of the NH, always trumpeting their superiority in face of zero results. Its a shame that the global quality of refs is heading the same direction. Ahhhh, I know your frustrations all too well with my team. Except any love from the ref we we receive usually takes the form of 2 ominous cards. So no sympathies from me

 

[Shelts89]

The call in the end was fine, but it's not good game management IMO.

Maybe he is starting to believe his own hype? Wouldn't be the first ref to do it!

 

[Shelts89]

I was targeting my rant at Owens and the rest of the refereeing fraternity for their diabolical standards and more general comment. Eng is the Wobs equivalents of the NH, always trumpeting their superiority in face of zero results. Its a shame that the global quality of refs is heading the same direction. Ahhhh, I know your frustrations all too well with my team. Except any love from the ref we we receive usually takes the form of 2 ominous cards. So no sympathies from me

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I would argue that is Wales. I don't believe they have beaten a SH side since 2007?

But yeah, our media is awful for over hyping things... In all sports!

 

[Dan54]

Enjoyed game, a bit worried early on, but thought ABs pretty dominant in second half, but I do have to apologise to SBW, who I wondered if I would of played, personally thought it one of best tests I have seen him play, not flashy, but tackled bloody well, and carried into contact to set up phase ball pretty well! Not sure what happened to our scrum at end of game, but I tend to agree that a penalty try was fair enough. Have watched 2 tests completely last night and this morning and probably main referee comment is watch the offside line and ruck and maul!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I've only seen a coupla highlights packages & don't usually do the blame the ref thing but there's no fucking way Coles should've got a YC & the PT was at best doubtful - maybe a pen for GOAT detaching early, though he'd probably argue that it was going sideways so fast he couldn't hang on. And as for re-reviewing a try when the conversion is being lined up

Anyhoo, as someone noted above it's a bit like the Dunners match - England good in the1st half & ahead at HT; AB come out & do the damage in 3rd 1/4; England, well out've it by now, come home with a wet sail & look like they got closer than they really did.

Those highlights are enought to remind me of what annoying and error prone prig Owens is

 

[ACR]

Have to agree with Hansen about these video replays, first South Africa and now again in England. Opens the door for imbalance at the hands of the producers/referee, needs to be regulated.

Thankfully have watched the highlights, goes to show how much you miss watching a *cough cough* 'legal' stream. For the Coles kick, I thought it was definitely worth a yellow, you just don't lash out at people like that. Still undecided about that scrum penalty try.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

Maybe he is starting to believe his own hype? Wouldn't be the first ref to do it!

Until he became an Aussie we used to call it the Steve Walsh Syndrome.............

Stuart Lancaster shows again that he's a class act:

www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/10722787/England-coach-takes-positives-from-ABs-loss

Retallick has a grade-1 AC injury & won't be considered for next week (& probably would've been rested anyway) so expecting Bird & Tuipuloto to start with Whitelock on the bench.

 

[Blue]

Owens really should be in some sort of home.

But the Poms aren't a good as they think they are and the All Blacks have lost their areola.

 

[Antony]

the All Blacks have lost their areola.

Sounds painful.

 

[Dan54]

Might be hard for Bird to start WOB, he not in touring party, perhaps you thinking Thrush.

 

[Shelts89]

Eng clueless really. They just needed one prick to hoof it into space downtown and then chase like a Ben Smith to give themselves a chance for their forwards get possession again to rumble one over. Thank fuck they didnt find that one prick

And we will continue that way until we stop picking Farrel at 10. I like Lancaster, as a pom he has done really well for us. But Farrell is barely the best 10 at his club let alone the country. On that note it was cruel to bring on Ford (possibly our most attacking 10) in those weather conditions with Farrel and Barritt outside.

Until he became an Aussie we used to call it the Steve Walsh Syndrome.....

That is exactly who I was thinking of... Would rather both of those than Poite any day still.

But the Poms aren't a good as they think they are and the All Blacks have lost their areola.

Alot of England fans don't think we're all that. We are however bloody hard to beat imo, which is a different thing.

 

[qwerty51]

Hansen really is a wanker.

@CharlieFelix: Steve Hansen on Jonny May's try: "He won't get many softer ones."