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England v Australia, Sunday 19 November 2:00am AEDT

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RugbyReg

Rocky Elsom (76)
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To be honest this should be the test they've been building to all year.

If they don't pull out a Bled 3 level of intensity for this one then it reflects poorly on all involved.

This is a massive test and I think we are more than capable of winning. It'd be a pretty major step back if we didn't/.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
That’s interesting, hadn’t expected to see that reaction. OK I’ll wait for the game before awarding a “points victory” in the locks.

Have to agree about Itoje being world class and better at 6. In time it’s what I’m hoping from someone like Dempsey or maybe Tui.

A certain Alan Jones was suggesting this morning that sooner or later there is dissent in a team run by Eddie Jones. Not sure he’s right about signs being there at the moment.

I’m actually hopeful for this which is our 4th biggest (following Bledisloe) game of the year. England will want it very much as a defacto point when they are not playing the All Blacks

I've been saying that for a while. Eddie Jones was pretty notorious for having brutal methods, psychologically. If England suffer a dip in form and lose a few on the trot i'd wager some of the players would start to question why they have to endure Eddie if it's not even working. Could quickly spiral.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
To be honest this should be the test they've been building to all year.

If they don't pull out a Bled 3 level of intensity for this one then it reflects poorly on all involved.

This is a massive test and I think we are more than capable of winning. It'd be a pretty major step back if we didn't/.

Would a close loss away to No. 2 really be that big a step back?
 
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TOCC

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Agreed, should have been building to this game all year..

Im happy that Kurtley is finally the starting fullback, but its a shame he didn't play there more earlier in the year working on that skillset.
 

chasmac

Alex Ross (28)
I'm feeling like we are a decent chance here.
From last week to this week we need to manage the scrum better. Create more width and address the defensive structure.
It looked to me that we trotted out Nathan Grey's experimental prototype headless chicken structure last week. It's time to shelve that and adopt the more traditional Farrell structure that the BI Lions used in NZ back in June.
Also, we can expect more breakdown pressure this week.
 

drewprint

Dick Tooth (41)
For some reason I have a bad feeling about this. It's been a long year and I just don't think we've got the firepower. England will be fresh and right up for this.

Tipping England by 10-15 but I hope I'm wrong.

Unfortunately I agree. I reckon our pack are gonna get badly outmuscled.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
England definitely deserve to be favourites and it will be a substantial upset if we win, but gee I reckon $3 for Australia to win is pretty good value. I feel like we're a much better chance than last year.


Sounds like you are having a bet each way, mate.
 

Micheal

Alan Cameron (40)
I'd definitely prefer Coleman with a sore thumb and Simmons to Launchbury and Lawes. I think that is a potential strength for us. Itoje is an outstanding player on the bench and is world class. I do feel like his impact is somewhat stifled at lock rather than 6 though because he has to play that tighter game. Certainly a big test for Matt Philip to come on and provide impact seeing as Itoje certainly will for the English.

<b>On the Locks</b>

I'd take Coleman over Launchbury or Lawes, but tbh I'd take Lawes, Launchbury, Kruis or Itoje in a heartbeat over Simmons, Arnold, Tui, Rodda etc. Englands depth at lock is phenomenal.

I think Itoje is world class and Lawes has the potential to be. Lawes has always been a promising player but his development under Jones has been incredible. He had a great Lions series.

That being said, Simmons is the type of player that will never be the point of difference in a game. If he play a disciplined, high work rate game then we will be well served.

<b>The Bench</b>

Cheika's obviously considering a 6-2 bench, which may not be a bad idea given the sheer intensity that will be offered by Vunipola, Launchbury, Lawes, Underhill and Hughes in the starting XV, alongside George, Itoje and Simmons off the bench.

Being able to bring Ala'alatoa, Philip, McCalman and Timani off the bench will go a long way to countering that pressure.

If he does elect to go with a 6-2 bench that means we have to decide who to carry as the second back reserve. We all want to see Hunt get more game time, and he can realistically cover 12, 13 and 15.

In the starting XV, Kerevi, Beale and Hodge can cover 12, with the latter two being able to cover 15.

Hodge, Kerevi, Kuridrani can all cover 13, but not many of our utility backs can double as specialist wingers.

That makes me think that Speight may be the better choice on a 6-2 bench. Of course, Phipps has covered wing for the Wallabies in the past (and pretty well too, remember his try last year?) but that doesn't help the fact that, even moreso than the others, he is certainly not a winger.

I would've liked to see Hunt at 12 in the starting lineup as I'm not even close to being sold on Kerevi at test level and I'm absolutely itching to see Hunt get more game time. Does Cheika think any of our starting midfield can cover wing if needed? That'll be a pretty informative factor in deciding this weekend's bench.

<b>The Result</b>

I'm not really fussed which way the coin lands as long as its close and we, as Reg said, bring a Bledisloe 2 / Bledisloe 3 level of intensity. We've had a long season with a huge amount of travel and we're up against a seriously impressive English outfit at their home fortress. The odds are against us but I still think our team has what it takes to get the result.

I'll elaborate below but I think the following Wallabies are currently world-class in that they would walk into the 23 of any other team in the world: TPN, Hooper, McMahon, Coleman, Genia, Beale and Koroibete (at a pinch).

I'm not sure what the level immediately below 'world class' should be called, but I think the Australian Rugby public (and the wider global audience) seriously underrate Australian players within that tier when they often laud similar-level players in other nations.

All Blacks absolutely froth on ALB and Crotty just as English fans adore Joseph, but none of them scare me as Jonathan Davies has this year. Is Kuridrani any worse than the first lot of players?

Ford and Farrell are also strong, dependable players, but they're certainly no Barrett. Are Foley and Beale really that much of a step down?

I think amongst the players I haven't labelled as world class, we certainly don't give up much against the opposition.

I personally think we have some sort of edge over England at 15, 14, 9, 8, 7, 5, 3, 2, 18 and 22 (Hunt).

I think they're stronger at 12, 6, 4, 1, 17, 19 and 21 (Phipps).

With not much between 11, 13, 10, 16, 20 (McCalman/Timani) and 23 (Speight).

Of course, it's not a 1-for-1 system, and certain players exert a greater influence on the game than others.

<b>Prediction</b>

Australia by 6. Both team's discipline and Hodge's howitzer to be deciding factors.

Leeeeeeet's gooooooo.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
I reckon the importance of Hodge's boot can't be over emphasised. I've watched countless Wallaby and Super Rugby matches where Australian teams have been the better attacking team but they've gone down because the other side has a guy nailing them from all parts of the ground. You need to score tries to beat NZ but against England the game will likely be much tighter and if Hodge can land a couple from 50 out it may well be the difference.
 

Mr Doug

Dick Tooth (41)
Now Mr Doug, in this new age of equality blah blah it was unnecessary to specify the word "female"

But I get your drift !

Thank you Scrubber. My inclusion of the word 'femal'e was because ever since the announcement of the result of the SSM Survey, on Wednesday morning, every engaged couple which I have seen interviewed on television has been a same-sex couple, and I didn't wish to create any confusion over Sam's future intentions! BTW, as you have barred access to your personal site, could you please send me a PM so I can discuss an totally unrelated issue with you? Cheers.
 

Derpus

Nathan Sharpe (72)
Michael, I'd add Kepu to your list of world class players.

Ford and Farrell are probably a better pairing than Foley and Beale. Better defence and kicking games. More rounded, test style players.
 

Mr Doug

Dick Tooth (41)
especially with the correct use of the gendered 'fiancée'!

You are correct, Dctarget, however, I'm sure there are many members who aren't aware of the difference. I only found out recently that our Daughter's English Fiancee, is in fact her Fiance!! After making a couple of minor mistakes in my last post, can any of the Mods please tell me why there is no "Edit" facility with this new not-so-good software?!
 

stoff

Trevor Allan (34)
I reckon the importance of Hodge's boot can't be over emphasised. I've watched countless Wallaby and Super Rugby matches where Australian teams have been the better attacking team but they've gone down because the other side has a guy nailing them from all parts of the ground. You need to score tries to beat NZ but against England the game will likely be much tighter and if Hodge can land a couple from 50 out it may well be the difference.
That and pinning them back as far down the field as possible. The difference between them starting their attack at the 22 or worse versus half way is huge if our scrum is in trouble or we still haven’t adjusted to the breakdown interpretations. Discipline will also be a huge factor.


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dru

David Wilson (68)
That and pinning them back as far down the field as possible. The difference between them starting their attack at the 22 or worse versus half way is huge if our scrum is in trouble or we still haven’t adjusted to the breakdown interpretations. Discipline will also be a huge factor.


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If we are relying on Hodge to solve this let’s hope there is a strategy to offer some (legal) protection in order to provide some time for Hodge’ glacially slow boot.
 
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