Elsom - still playing wounded
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naza said:
The problem is that he hasn't been making yards
Vs ABs 6 runs for 36m
Vs Boks 3 run for 23m (and only 3 tackles )
http://www.rugbystats.com.au/rugby/?refresh=1250664660562
naza
Alan Cameron (40)
fatprop said:
Oh, here we go..its all fun and games and then somebody comes along to ruin it with 'facts' and 'statistics'.
First, this stats site is full of shit, I don't believe any of it for a second (not since I saw Phil Waugh miss 4 tackles in 60 seconds and none of them get counted) and I'll have anybody on who thinks they can do a drive by with cherry picked bullshit stats.
How are Drew Mitchell and AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) the leaders of ruck/maul in Bledisloe 1 ? Oh, so we only count the first bloke who flops into the ruck ? There's no differentiation between Palu making hard yards off a retreating scrum and an outside back retrieving a kick and running up to the defence and getting belted. And Palu having his hands free to offload the ball but nobody being there in support ? Well, he doesn't get credit for that..nooooooooo.
So, thanks for that fatprop but correction - the problem is we haven't been getting him enough runs with the pill. Instead those epic gimps Barnes & Giteau have been murdering us with their shithouse kicking. Bring back Bernie !!
Naza
I agree that pure stats can be misleading, but the do measure activity. Palu hasn't done enough in the last two games. He hasn't been getting into a position to call for the ball enough and get us going forward.
Many have questioned Sharpe's effort in the last game, but at least he got into position and had a run.
I agree that pure stats can be misleading, but the do measure activity. Palu hasn't done enough in the last two games. He hasn't been getting into a position to call for the ball enough and get us going forward.
Many have questioned Sharpe's effort in the last game, but at least he got into position and had a run.
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
fatprop said:
as compared to browns
v ABs 4 runs for 34m
v Boks 2 runs for 16m
yeah, brown will do much better, being smaller and and not as srong in the tackle will do the back of our scrum wonders on saturday!
out of our starting forwards, Palu made the second most metres in africa and most against NZ, i think the stats tell why he should be there!
Yep, but Brown was the second highest tackler in the pigs.
To me, Brown's higher workrate and flexibility got him the nod.
Elsom is unlikely to last the match and Palu has struggled so far to do 80 minutes. So Brown got the nod as he is more of a chance to provide more effective minutes.
(Neither Brown or Palu has really set the world on fire this season)
To me, Brown's higher workrate and flexibility got him the nod.
Elsom is unlikely to last the match and Palu has struggled so far to do 80 minutes. So Brown got the nod as he is more of a chance to provide more effective minutes.
(Neither Brown or Palu has really set the world on fire this season)
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David Codey (61)
They have both been very average. No wonder Deans keeps wanting so many 7s in the squad - at least they are good at what they do.
I think Mowen or Higginbotham should have been in the original squad though. Even if it is for development purposes such as the Cooper and Beale arguements.
I think Mowen or Higginbotham should have been in the original squad though. Even if it is for development purposes such as the Cooper and Beale arguements.
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
fatprop said:
brown hasnt lasted the 80 yet this season, i dont actually think he has a higher work rate at all.
vs new zealand
brown 6 tackles 3-missed tackles 3-rucks
palu 12 tackles 1-missed tackle 4-rucks
vs south africa
brown 8-tackles 1-missed 2-rucks
palu 3-tackles 1-missed 3-rucks
i think the brown fad of "workrate" is as big a myth as pococks ability. its all ego and talk, he hasnt delivered at international level and he wont provide ball for anyone on saturday, its a fact not a stat!
he has started seagulling, his runs are made wider and wider week by week, without palu we lack players who can go through the guts and get momentum, were going to end up going side to side all night. unless Elsom has come back from europe better than everyone.
waratahjesus
Greg Davis (50)
louie said:
no calculator needed, palu made more runs to indicate a higher workrate, brown also saw a few balls out at centre in far more space than palu, palu has played a full 80, brown has not, its not tah love, im just saying on stats, brown is not this machine that his supporters keep going on about. in my opinion as a waratahs and wallaby fan brown is consistantly found wanting in heavy traffic at international level, when he is in close he has to fight to go to ground most of the time and it slows the ball down!
when palu went off, we were playing against a tired scrum. im not saying palu made our scrum, im just saying i like him better than brown. when he is getting smashed on saturday early, then you can make excuses for him!
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