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Dwyer speaks truth

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fatprop

George Gregan (70)
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Wallaby Wipeout: Bob Dwyer Analysis
Sunday, 01 August 2010 21:50
Written by Bob Dwyer

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There is something seriously wrong with the Wallabies. Either the players are not good enough, or the coaches are not good enough – or, maybe, a bit of both.

It’s not enough to claim the “work in progress” line, because that claim suggests “progress”, and there is none of that precious commodity on display. Certainly there is no consistent progress, nothing to suggest to us loyal band of followers that there is even a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.We were totally outplayed yesterday in all aspects of the game.

Our kick-off receipts were almost laughable; we secured one from eight, by my count, and all of these, by rights, should have been ‘our ball’! We were beaten at the scrum, the lineout and the tackle contest. We were driven back in the tackle, yet consistently conceded ground to All Black ball-carriers. They were the better in both attack and defence and had a better kicking, and kick-chase, game than ours. Their technique in general - but specifically in ” line of run” and “catch-pass” – was very good; ours was poor. To really put the icing on the cake, they altogether “out-enthused” us. We had little enthusiasm for the game at all, until the last 15, or so, minutes, well after the game had been lost.

I have said this before, but it’s important, so I’ll say it again. Frequently, when addressing groups of coaches, I will ask the question, “Do you think that quickly recycled ball will help our attack”. The answer is, not surprisingly, a resounding “Yes! Of course!” “Why then,” I continue, “do you deliberately slow down your own ball? Bridging, for example, is used to slow down the delivery of the recycled ball. Further, our scrum-halves are constantly ignoring the free ball , sitting at the back of our ruck, whilst they perform a myriad of other, totally unimportant tasks.” This drives me, and many other experienced rugby followers, to distraction and, yesterday, here it was again. The same old drivel, served up to us, week after week. George Gregan became the master of the “idle ball”. Luke Burgess became infected with the same disease – but, lately, seems to have overcome it. Will Genia was not, we all thought, another victim, but we were wrong. This disease lurks somewhere in the Wallaby camp, and he’s also caught a good dose of it also. It’s been three games now and it’s taken a firm hold on him.

New Zealand played well. Their scrum and lineout were both efficient and delivered quality ball. Their restarts were well planned and well executed. They attacked straight and with pace and excellent footwork. Their catch and pass game was accurate, and they maintained their alignment and spacing admirably.

None of this is difficult, mind you, but to look at most teams, including the Wallabies, you would think that it must be ‘quantum physics’. They also had pace and power throughout a performance which exuded urgency. They were urgent, and accurate, in support of the ball-carrier to continue the attack, and they were urgent to reclaim the ball at the tackle contest. They were almost frantic in their efforts, frequently illegal, to deny the Wallabies the immediate use of any turnover ball – from a dropped pass or a steal.

None of this from our Wallabies, however. Not for the first time, we were lethargic – right from the kick-off. The first sniff of any semblance of urgency came in the last 15 minutes, when the game was well and truly lost. Some people remarked that we played better, in this period, with fourteen men! This is true. Far too late, we played with urgency - with desire, with passion and with pace. Speed in the recycle of the tackle ball brought us late points – just as the same strategy had bought points for the Springboks a couple of weeks earlier. Perhaps our strategists missed that game.

There was one other factor in New Zealand’s favour which, however, is not so easily remedied. They looked much quicker than us. It has been stated many times that “there is no substitute for pace”. More recently, I have heard it slightly differently, that “you can’t hide from pace”. Certainly there was no hiding place for the Wallabies last night.

There were other factors in the game which require mention. The first is the red card for winger, Drew Mitchell, for two deliberate offences. I support the referee totally. For me, “if you don’t want to play the game in accordance with the laws, then you should not be allowed to continue”. There was, however, a lack of consistency, which is unacceptable. In the first half, under the shadow of the New Zealand posts, an All Black player deliberately batted the ball away when a Wallaby player sought to play on immediately. There was no penalty whatsoever on this occasion. Many people remarked also on the absence of a yellow card for a dangerous tackle, late in the game, which was reported by the referee’s assistant on the touch. This was difficult to understand.

Whilst on the subject of referees, I thought that Craig Joubert had another poor game. I, like many others, expect that referees will apply the laws of the game – the ones written in the law book, that is – but it is clear that, for some years, this has not been the case. In fact, not long back, the IRB issued an instruction reminding their referees of the laws of the game governing play at and after the tackle. The application of these laws – sometimes incorrectly referred to as “the new interpretation” – has made a huge difference to the spectacle of the game. Now the New Zealand team have come up with yet another ploy - a totally illegal one of course – to deny ‘quick ball’ to their opposition. For some weeks now, there has been a succession of All Black players who, supposedly accidentally, finish beyond the ball, between the ball and the opposition scrum-half. In last night’s game, the frequency of this offence reached new heights.

A couple of weeks back, another referee gave a succession of “final warnings” to Richie McCaw for this and similar offences. Last night’s referee all but ignored the offence and neglected his responsibility. Perhaps we will have to wait for the IRB to issue yet another “clarification”. Paddy O’Brien to make comment on cynical, illegal play from his beloved All Blacks! I don’t think so!

Is it too much to ask that New Zealand be forced to play in accordance with the laws of our game; the same ones that is, that all others are expected to comply with?


http://www.heavensgame.com/bob-dwyer-analysis/wallaby-wipeout-bob-dwyer-analysis
 

lincoln

Bob Loudon (25)
Totally agree with the point about slow delivery of the ball from the breakdown - why wait for the defence to realign (get back onside or get off the ground) when you have a better opportunity to penetrate - I wonder if they are deliberately slowing it down to give their plays a breather.
 

Scarfman

Knitter of the Scarf
Bob said:
Now the New Zealand team have come up with yet another ploy - a totally illegal one of course – to deny ‘quick ball’ to their opposition. For some weeks now, there has been a succession of All Black players who, supposedly accidentally, finish beyond the ball, between the ball and the opposition scrum-half. In last night’s game, the frequency of this offence reached new heights.

C'mon Bob - give me some love, bro. You saw the vid, didn't you?
 

barbarian

Phil Kearns (64)
Staff member
Think he is a bit harsh, and he doesn't really suggest any changes other than getting more quick ball. Thought we weren't totally beaten in all facets- we were probably on par in the lineout, and not that far behind in the scrum. Don't want to repeat myself too much, but think this is merely another anti-wallabies media rant. A bit more eloquent and thought-out than most mind you.
 

liquor box

Peter Sullivan (51)
Totally agree with the point about slow delivery of the ball from the breakdown - why wait for the defence to realign (get back onside or get off the ground) when you have a better opportunity to penetrate - I wonder if they are deliberately slowing it down to give their plays a breather.

Especially with a long passer like Cooper in the team, if he recieves the ball quickly he can hit any man in the backline being marked by an off side defender, this will get plenty of penalties
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Totally agree with the point about slow delivery of the ball from the breakdown - why wait for the defence to realign (get back onside or get off the ground) when you have a better opportunity to penetrate - I wonder if they are deliberately slowing it down to give their plays a breather.

Me too. Few things shit me more on the rugby field than a halfback standing there waiting for alignment to be exactly as he wants before passing. You have little hope of breaking down a retreating defence in that situation.

Ours is supposed to be an up-tempo game plan and this doesn't help. It's not just the HB's fault though. Our whole plan must be to have big ball running blokes steaming onto the pass at pace, trailing through the breakdown and close to the ruck to punch holes in close. That means Sharpie, Rocky, Dick et al right up Genia's backside to take a short ball for a couple of phases and then to Cooper to throw those wonderful long passes. Do that right and there isn't a defence on the planet that can keep up it for 80 minutes.

Rule Number 1 in Rugby, as the great man Mark Ella was taught: the ball beats the man.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
So on one hand we were completely outplayed and have no hope of beating the All Blacks, but on the other hand we were at a major disadvantage by the cheating tactics at the breakdown and the referees letting them get away with it!
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
So on one hand we were completely outplayed and have no hope of beating the All Blacks, but on the other hand we were at a major disadvantage by the cheating tactics at the breakdown and the referees letting them get away with it!

They can cheat because our soft c*ck forwards don't clean out, stay on their feet and drive past the ball.
 

Scorz

Syd Malcolm (24)
So his main suggestion is not to let the ball stop against the AB's who are by his observation more pacey and suited to the faster game... And the ref's are cheating? Heavens to Betsy.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Maybe I have been channelling Dwyer with my Sack Deans thread.

The only thing I will disagree with him about is Joubert. I thought Joubert and the other refs have been pretty good in the 3N so far.

I don't at all disagree with Dwyer regarding the offside and I posted as much at the start of the Mcaw is a cheat thread last week but the Wallabies need to make these issue clear by cleaning the bastards out. If the loitering player is cleaned out 3 metres offisde at the back of the ruck and the ref penalises them the Captain has to show some leadership (yes thats supposed to be you Rocky) and say "well sir, they are offisde hindering our play at the back of the ruck. We are just trying to play quick ball. If you can ensure they are onside we will not have to clear the zone."

As for the soft penalties its is clearly obvious the refs have had a direction regarding lifting tackles. It is pretty weak what now constitutes a dangerous tackle but they have been totally consistant.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
While they are free to have their say and they have respect becuase they earned it, I get the shits from oldies thinking they have all the answers.

I would love to see how much better the likes of Dwyer and Ella will ACTUALLY do with the same crop of players.

It's lovely to talk from the perpective of having played / coached in a golden era.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
While they are free to have their say and they have respect becuase they earned it, I get the shits from oldies thinking they have all the answers.

I would love to see how much better the likes of Dwyer and Ella will ACTUALLY do with the same crop of players.

It's lovely to talk from the perpective of having played / coached in a golden era.

Ella and Dwyer both have the runs on the board with multiple teams. Dwyer in particular has always been one of the better innovators in Oz Rugby and a very very good identifyer of talent. Both have a deep passion for the game and just because they aren't as young as some of you there is no need to discount their experience or knowledge. In fact Henry wouldn't be much younger than Dwyer.
 

The_Brown_Hornet

John Eales (66)
Bob has more than earned the right to have his say IMHO. As Gnostic says, he's got the runs on the board. Few coaches in the history of the game in this country have his record and it's not just winning the RWC in 1991, it was sustained success after that too. He developed a new generation of players and brought back the flat alignment to our footy. I'm eternally grateful to him for that.

He's also a great student of the game.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Maybe I have been channelling Dwyer with my Sack Deans thread.

The only thing I will disagree with him about is Joubert. I thought Joubert and the other refs have been pretty good in the 3N so far.

I don't at all disagree with Dwyer regarding the offside and I posted as much at the start of the Mcaw is a cheat thread last week but the Wallabies need to make these issue clear by cleaning the bastards out. If the loitering player is cleaned out 3 metres offisde at the back of the ruck and the ref penalises them the Captain has to show some leadership (yes thats supposed to be you Rocky) and say "well sir, they are offisde hindering our play at the back of the ruck. We are just trying to play quick ball. If you can ensure they are onside we will not have to clear the zone."

As for the soft penalties its is clearly obvious the refs have had a direction regarding lifting tackles. It is pretty weak what now constitutes a dangerous tackle but they have been totally consistant.

I agree...

I'm always reminded of Eales having to issue Watson a warning that his players would deal with the dirty French tactics in the '99 RWC Final if he failed to do something about it...

The AB's have been for years loitering around offside at the rucks interfering and often deliberately holding back defenders... and this allows them to make easy metres down the middle of the field like on the weekend...

At one point in the weekend following a scrum Richie McCaw was running alongside Richard Brown in OUR defensive line holding him back so he couldn't make a tackle... how this doesn't get noticed by the referees is just poor officiating...

You can't really blame the All Blacks for taking advantage... the referees need to be doing a better, consistent job.
 
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/rugby/a-most-unlikely-ally/story-e6frey4i-1225901348390

A most unlikely ally

By Iain Payten
From: The Daily Telegraph
August 05, 2010 12:00AM

HE'S arguably New Zealand's most notorious Wallaby-basher but former All Black hardman Richard Loe became an unlikely ally of Australia yesterday as he slammed critics of the Wallabies and coach Robbie Deans.

Loe - who infamously broke the nose of Paul Carozza at Ballymore in 1992 - leapt to the defence of Deans' team ahead of the second Test in Christchurch on Saturday, saying despite eight straight losses to New Zealand the Wallabies were still the second-best team in the world.

And taking aim at former Wallabies coach Bob Dwyer, who yesterday told Kiwi radio it was not too late to make changes before the World Cup, Loe said people should recognise the team's improvement.

"I think the Bob Dwyers of the world calling for the coach and certain players to be removed should stop taking the grumpy pills. Sit back and enjoy the progress that's been made," Loe said.

"Robbie is building a team, but unfortunately he doesn't have the blocks to build with that Graham Henry and co have. The All Blacks have moved to another level and I think the Wallabies are following."

Loe, who played 49 Tests, said the Wallabies' win over the Springboks showed their quality and, though walloped in Melbourne, most other sides would have conceded more.

"Deans is making progress. If two teams play a game at high intensity like the All Blacks and Wallabies did, and there wasn't an infringement that the referee could award a scrum for either side in the first 23 minutes, then that's two good sides," Loe said.

"Most couldn't go through 10 minutes without one [scrum]."

Though many are concerned the gulf between the Wallabies and New Zealand is widening, Loe said the onus was on the Australian players to step up, fix the problems and become a stronger team.

"Robbie is building a team with good skill level, but the players have to move on. Individuals have to become better," Loe said.

"The whole side must have the aggressive intent and the ability to add something in attack.

"With time the Wallabies will get there but at the moment they are second to the All Blacks. If you stood back and said you are the second best at ... whatever, whether it be tiddly-winks or rugby, it is not bad to be No. 2 in the world.

"The forward play has come on a long way since the Pommy Tests and they beat the Springboks. That's a team which if it went around and played every other major team in the world they'd win every game."

Dwyer last night clarified he had not called for Deans to be replaced.

"But I did say I was very concerned about the assistant coaches. They have responsibility for attending to the detail and the technique and I believe it's not being done," Dwyer said.

"It is never too late to make changes if you are unhappy with where you are headed."
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
They can cheat because our soft c*ck forwards don't clean out, stay on their feet and drive past the ball.

Pretty hard to clean out a guy that is lying on the ground between you and the tackled player. Bringing back rucking might help a lot though.
 

Crow

Jimmy Flynn (14)
Bringing back rucking might help a lot though.
I doubt rucking would help at all. The apparent benefit is that someone might move if you drag your studs down their back. What we actually had was people with stripes across their back, still lying on top of the ball.
 

wamberal

Phil Kearns (64)
Ella and Dwyer both have the runs on the board with multiple teams. Dwyer in particular has always been one of the better innovators in Oz Rugby and a very very good identifyer of talent. Both have a deep passion for the game and just because they aren't as young as some of you there is no need to discount their experience or knowledge. In fact Henry wouldn't be much younger than Dwyer.

Ryan McGoldrick. :lmao::lmao::lmao: The single worst coaching decision I have ever seen. Not far ahead of the second worst, another Randwick legend, the Link, picking Randwick flyer Morgan Twomorepies to mark Brian Habana.


Go the Wicks.
 
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