Drew Mitchell - not suspended

[fatprop]

Franks yellow was rubbish. Mitchell first yellow was rubbish. Penalty on Whitelock was rubbish.

Mitchell knocking the ball down was the second incidence of the Wallabies slowing the play down. Kaino knocking the ball down was the second incidence of the ABs slowing the ball down (although this occurred within 10 seconds of the first, so you could argue it was worse). If Mitchell deserved a yellow, then didn't Kaino also deserve one?

All we want is consistence from the referees, and we haven't had that from Joubert and Kaplan for a while.

I don't remember the Kaino incident, was it before or after Rocky's complaint about slowing the ball down or, before or after the team warning?

 

[Top Bloke]

I don't remember the Kaino incident, was it before or after Rocky's complaint about slowing the ball down or, before or after the team warning?

The Kaino incident was before the warning @ 32mins. The warning came about 35min mark - Mitchell 2nd YC incident was about 46 mins - eg after haltime - Should have been obvious to both teams at half time that Joubert was itching to pull a YC.

 

[DPK]

I thought the Franks yellow was just rubbish (it didn't even deserve to be a penalty), Mitchell's first was a penalty at best.

Mitchell's second was a clear yellow and there should be more of that type of sanction, it was cynical and negative.

Really? It was definetely a shoulder charge, looked quite mungo-esque. Well deserved card.

 

[Ash]

Yeah, the Kaino incident was particularly dumb as Kaino did the same thing as Mitchell did - knock the ball from someones hands. It was right under the nose of the ref, but I wondered at the time if he somehow missed it because the ref did nothing - at the very least you would expect another 10m.

Mitchell's offence was even more dumb than Kaino's, simply because of the team warning, and Mitchell was already on a yellow. Mitchell's second yellow was deserved, and as soon as he did it you just knew he was going to get the second yellow. It would have been incredibly soft and wrong of Joubert not to give Mitchell the second yellow.

Frank's shoulder charge looked blatant in real time, but on replay was shown to be a real attempted tackle. Can see how the ref screwed up that one.

The "lifting" tackle of McCaw and Whitelock looked to be a complete non-event. They drove the player backwards off his feet, and he didn't seem to go past the horizontal.

 

[Muttonbird]

...the warning was specifically about disrupting quick taps, and Mitchell didn't do that.

Desperately splitting hairs there aren't you?

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Right - finally seen that first yellow for Shmoo.
1) Kaplan, you are the cheating C'UNT that Tahs stats prove you to be
2) McCaw - give yourself an uppercut Ronaldo

But, what I can't help feeling I've just missed a story on somewhere is

WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SUSPENSION FOR WHITELOCK AND/OR MCCAW FOR THAT 'DANGEROUS TACKLE'????

If were going to live with this new dictat of players getting carded and cited every game, I want to know why the fuck either of those two aren't out for 2 weeks MINIMUM

The incident was penalised and the ref even said it would have been a yellow, if, guess who, MR JONATHAN KAPLAN hadn't conveniently been a bit unsure about the tacklers number, even though it was in 2ft letters 5m in front of him.

Well, the replay is pretty fucking clear, so citing officer, where are your fucking nuts now?

Wheres the replay showing it went past he horizontal? When Kearns is even saying "there's nothing in that, what a load of rubbish", u know that there seriously must be nothing in it.

If you are suggesting that this tackle is inline with Cooper's, then you need to remove the eye patch.

 

[Scotty]

Desperately splitting hairs there aren't you?

Yes, but do you agree if there was consistency from Joubert that Kaino should also have gotten a yellow? The incidences of slowing the quick tap happened thus:

ABs after a penalty - got marched 10m for doing so
ABs (Kaino)after getting marched 10m from above
Wallabies (Genia) after a penalty - got marched 10m (i think) and captains get the warning
Wallabies (Mitchell) at a lineout - yellow card

So the inconsistency is apparent that the ABs get away with the second incidence of slowing the ball down without a yellow card, marching 10m or even a warning. Yet as soon as the Australians slow the ball down there is a warning, and the next occurrence brings a yellow card. Now of course Mitchell shouldn't have done this after the warning, but I fail to see how Joubert treated both sides in the same manner. It is reminiscent of the issues we had with him in the scrums in Auckland last year, where only one team was refereed.

But the biggest issue with his performance was the lack of warning on the ABs for deliberately infringing at the breakdown in the red zone. 7 penalties is a lot to concede in this area without a single warning and without doubt this stunted the wallabies attack.

 

[Muttonbird]

Yes, but do you agree if there was consistency from Joubert that Kaino should also have gotten a yellow? The incidences of slowing the quick tap happened thus:

ABs after a penalty - got marched 10m for doing so
ABs (Kaino)after getting marched 10m from above
Wallabies (Genia) after a penalty - got marched 10m (i think) and captains get the warning
Wallabies (Mitchell) at a lineout - yellow card

So the inconsistency is apparent that the ABs get away with the second incidence of slowing the ball down without a yellow card, marching 10m or even a warning. Yet as soon as the Australians slow the ball down there is a warning, and the next occurrence brings a yellow card. Now of course Mitchell shouldn't have done this after the warning, but I fail to see how Joubert treated both sides in the same manner. It is reminiscent of the issues we had with him in the scrums in Auckland last year, where only one team was refereed.

But the biggest issue with his performance was the lack of warning on the ABs for deliberately infringing at the breakdown in the red zone. 7 penalties is a lot to concede in this area without a single warning and without doubt this stunted the wallabies attack.

Kaino incident probably worth another 10m but Joubert was looking directly at it and said to Elsom "I've already marched them 10" and then something about looking at what he (Rocky) was talking about. The Mils incident was but seconds before and no warning had been given (know you don't like that excuse) so a YC for Kaino then would have been a bit harsh. Thought Mitchell's first yellow was rough - very late but there were arms in there, they were in front of him pushing McCaw away. Hardly a dangerous shoulder charge but very late.

Agree the refs are a bit card-happy this 3N but refute that it's not consistent. Better the cards now so that the players know the standard to which they will be held at RWC2011.

 

[Utility Back]

I think its quite irrelevant that Australia hadn't done it as many times as NZ. Australia complained about New Zealand doing it, than did it themselves, giving the ref the impresseion it was going to creep into the game too far and become a blight on the match. Both teams received a clear warning, and aus (more specifically schmoo) fucked up again, so he had given rocky what he wanted, an end to cynical slowing of taps, just not as soon as he (or I) would have hoped.

At risk of contradicting myself, i actually agree kaino deserved a yellow or at least another 10 m's for his knock down, as to me it seemed as bad as a professional foul on the tryline, or deliberate knock down, as we had momentum, he was supposed to be 10 metres away and not even touch the ball let alone knocking it out of the opposition hands, stopping a chance to create some strong pressure, or even a potential try.

Rocky's ref handling didn't do us any favours, to much like trying to dictate the terms to the ref and not enough respect for the authority. Richie played it beautfully. Arsehole.

 

[I like to watch]

Right - finally seen that first yellow for Shmoo.
1) Kaplan, you are the cheating C'UNT that Tahs stats prove you to be

Who the fuck appoints this prick to officiate?
He fucks us over everytime.
It's bad enough that the AB's score 50 against us at home, then we play in Christchurch a week later and have this smarmy prick making sure we have ABSOLUTELY no chance.
anyone want to buy a ticket?
no doubt it will rain & I will get soaked,adding insult to injury.
I FUCKING HATE THAT PRICK!

 

[Gnostic]

Wheres the replay showing it went past he horizontal? When Kearns is even saying "there's nothing in that, what a load of rubbish", u know that there seriously must be nothing in it.

If you are suggesting that this tackle is inline with Cooper's, then you need to remove the eye patch.

The Horizontal part has been removed. Please try and keep up. Out of all the the suspensions this year the only old style "spear tackle" was De Villiers in the first ABs game and even that was soft. IMO none of the "Lifting tackle" deserved a yellow let alone a suspension. Lets go back to the past the horizontal plane test to determine a dangerous tackle. The way they are ruling this if you get a dominant tackle and drive the player back off their feet all the tacklee has to do is twist their body and land sideways to milk the penalty. Chav ball anyone?

 

[Scotty]

Rocky's ref handling didn't do us any favours, to much like trying to dictate the terms to the ref and not enough respect for the authority. Richie played it beautfully. Arsehole.

A case for having Pocock as captain?

 

[Scotty]

Kaino incident probably worth another 10m but Joubert was looking directly at it and said to Elsom "I've already marched them 10" and then something about looking at what he (Rocky) was talking about. The Mils incident was but seconds before and no warning had been given (know you don't like that excuse) so a YC for Kaino then would have been a bit harsh. Thought Mitchell's first yellow was rough - very late but there were arms in there, they were in front of him pushing McCaw away. Hardly a dangerous shoulder charge but very late.

Agree the refs are a bit card-happy this 3N but refute that it's not consistent. Better the cards now so that the players know the standard to which they will be held at RWC2011.

I agree that a yellow for Kaino would have been harsh. Just as the yellow for Mitchell was harsh. However a yellow for Kaino would have been consistent, and that is all we can ask for (or I should say that is what we should expect).

 

[Gnostic]

As a Waratahs fan I (along with all others) nightly hope for Kraplan to do a hammy, knee, anything that will prevent from ever whilstling a match again. He is an arrogant, error prone and obviously biased official. He is the only one who I will say is obviously biased and approaches games with preconceived ideas and whistles one team according to those. He is also inconsistant between games.

I cannot support personal abuse or such but this bloke is a very poor representative for Rugby.

 

[Muttonbird]

Who the fuck appoints this prick to officiate?
He fucks us over everytime.
It's bad enough that the AB's score 50 against us at home, then we play in Christchurch a week later and have this smarmy prick making sure we have ABSOLUTELY no chance.
anyone want to buy a ticket?
no doubt it will rain & I will get soaked,adding insult to injury.
I FUCKING HATE THAT PRICK!

You need to have a lie-down.

 

[I like to watch]

You need to have a lie-down.

yeah you are right it was OTT, I am normally of the view that we should focus on our teams errors, rather than the ref when we lose. And I am a HUGE believer in giving the ref respect.
BUT he is a very special case.
I can cop refs making errors.
I can cop them being inconsistent
I can cop them being over zealous and not let the game flow.
I can cop them making game deciding penalties for small technical issues.
But I can't cop that guy who seems to do all the above EVERYTIME, which always go against one team.
I do not believe he is a cheat, but over the years, with his history I feel cheated whenever he refs.
He clearly has predefined views on players etc.If you look at his stats when he refs the Wobblies & tahs, they are way out of line with their general form.

 

[Scarfman]

Wait - Kaplan's reffing in Chch?

Oh god.

 

[I like to watch]

Could end up with a scoreline similiar to what the saders did to the tahs a few years ago

 

[Muttonbird]

Wait - Kaplan's reffing in Chch?

Oh god.

Hope the players aren't thinking like that.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

The Horizontal part has been removed. Please try and keep up. Out of all the the suspensions this year the only old style "spear tackle" was De Villiers in the first ABs game and even that was soft. IMO none of the "Lifting tackle" deserved a yellow let alone a suspension. Lets go back to the past the horizontal plane test to determine a dangerous tackle. The way they are ruling this if you get a dominant tackle and drive the player back off their feet all the tacklee has to do is twist their body and land sideways to milk the penalty. Chav ball anyone?

You win Gnostic, I bow down to your vastly superior knowledge on your rules of rugby (yours, not the IRB's).