Does anyone else fear for TPN's Brain?

[Inside Shoulder]

FP it occurs to me, without knowing all the facts, that TPN going home early is a good sign for the way thing work at the Tahs - he, at least, is alive to importance of symptoms and, presumably, he reported them to staff: it would not be that difficult to keep a headache to yourself. So this suggests that they take it seriously enough that TPN didn't try to "play through the pain" - this is good.
It cant be easy to be out in the middle with a bloke like TPN who wants to play trying assess his cognitive function: maybe they need to look at a head bin rule.

 

[suckerforred]

M'lady, I'd be very much obliged if you would let me to give you a hand there...

Between you and andyq, Nusadan, you have convinced me that chivalry is not dead.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

4 corners next week is apparently about brain injury in contact sports

 

[andyq]

Between you and andyq, Nusadan, you have convinced me that chivalry is not dead.

Aww shucks... and I'm a newbie here as well...

 

[fatprop]

FP it occurs to me, without knowing all the facts, that TPN going home early is a good sign for the way thing work at the Tahs - he, at least, is alive to importance of symptoms and, presumably, he reported them to staff: it would not be that difficult to keep a headache to yourself. So this suggests that they take it seriously enough that TPN didn't try to "play through the pain" - this is good.
It cant be easy to be out in the middle with a bloke like TPN who wants to play trying assess his cognitive function: maybe they need to look at a head bin rule.

The challenge with Nau is that he can often end up poleaxed, spread eagled for a minute on the ground, sucking in oxygen and get up go again.

During Barnes' issue last year the Tahs were pretty detailed about their protocols, but they will come down to the honesty of the player at times as well.

Sometimes the player thinks they are fine and they ain't, but if they don't disclose the issue, and say they are fine, who is at fault?

 

[Richo]

Sometimes the player thinks they are fine and they ain't, but if they don't disclose the issue, and say they are fine, who is at fault?

Everybody?

 

[Inside Shoulder]

The challenge with Nau is that he can often end up poleaxed, spread eagled for a minute on the ground, sucking in oxygen and get up go again.

During Barnes' issue last year the Tahs were pretty detailed about their protocols, but they will come down to the honesty of the player at times as well.

Sometimes the player thinks they are fine and they ain't, but if they don't disclose the issue, and say they are fine, who is at fault?

I once did what i thought was the right thing by coming off and have regretted it ever since: I felt fine about 15 minutes later. i have been bagged for it ever since.
Its a fine line

 

[Bullrush]

I once did what i thought was the right thing by coming off and have regretted it ever since: I felt fine about 15 minutes later. i have been bagged for it ever since.
Its a fine line

LOL....that's pretty funny.

On a serious note though, there's no way you'll ever be able to know if coming off when you did saved you from taking another head-knock or something similar which may have resulted in permanent or serious injury.

Hard to say that as a come-back when you're taking shit about though........but your kids and partner will be grateful

 

[Inside Shoulder]

It was a grudge match preceded by lots of threats of violence and injury - which came true: so the view is that, since i was Ok when a father (doctor) from the other team looked at me I had dogged it. i could have played on as things turned out but it was about my 7th concussion in 3 years.....

 

[liquor box]

I once did what i thought was the right thing by coming off and have regretted it ever since: I felt fine about 15 minutes later. i have been bagged for it ever since.
Its a fine line

well you did the right thing, you are able to still use your brain and communicate successfully. THis is a positive compared to what could have happened. The big thing is that what you did might not have saved you today, but it might make a difference when you are old

 

[cyclopath]

Anyone who can, get onto ABC now - interesting Four Corners piece on concussion in football codes.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

I hope some of the mothers who think rugby is more dangerous than AFL saw that

 

[Scarfman]

Not on the ABC right now, but maybe join this to previous brain thread?

Look forward to hearing reactions.

 

[p.Tah]

Interesting investigation. I thought the IRB and the ARU came out as quite responsible given their concussion guidelines. However the main point the reporter made was that the guidelines aren't always followed because guys want to get back on the pitch the following week even if they know they shouldn't. If concussed players (such as TPN) are rested at the professional level after severe head knocks it should filter down to the amateur level. The main message was give yourself plenty of time to recover (approx 3 weeks).

Rugby League has to ban the shoulder charge.

What was interesting is that they totally ignored Soccer. They just focused on AFL, League and Rugby. Channel 7 had a story on concussion in women soccer players. It was remiss of 4 Corners to ignore this. This can viewed here:

http://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/weekend-sunrise/#fop may have to search for it on this page. Title: Sports Concussion Crisis

 

[Juan Cote]

The trial of independent Doctors to assess players at the U/20 World Cup will be an interesting one.

 

[cyclopath]

I have long felt that the severe deceleration forces associated with shoulder charges in League, and the classic "hip and shoulder" in AFL are inherently dangerous, and the only reason they are endorsed is for the macho "big hit" bullshit. If lacks skill to blindside a guy with a blunt object. Just listen to the commentators with some of those hits, especially in the League segment. They love seeing players flattened like that. The condoning of one shoulder to the head / neck was just appalling.
It isn't just League, but they showed more of that code in this context. The Rugby commentators going on about dangerous tackles that are OK " because no-one got hurt, or meant to hurt someone" is equally ridiculous. Inherently dangerous contact is unnecessary, in particular to the head / neck. There is no less protected part of the body. Or more vital.
Very telling was the AFL guy who identified his own recovery period of 3 weeks, and saw the same in current players allowed back too fast. So sad to see the ongoing effects in guys like Steve Devine, and that NRL guy whose name escapes me.

 

[cyclopath]

I am on my iPad and can't get the threads to merge with the TPN one. If any other mods can do it, that would be great.

 

[Cutter]

I saw on the Good Wife recently (a good show if anyone hasn't seen it) that players in ice hockey fake their responses to the early season tests so they can make it back on the field faster when they're tested after an actual injury.

 

[bryce]

I've heard similar stories (and I'm sure someone else has mentioned it on one of these threads) about rugby league players 'throwing' their tests by deliberately reacting slowly so they can pass them later in the season after head knocks.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

P.Tah: I would have thought that soccer had more to fear from this research than union. The message seemed to me to be that repeated sub concussive blows were thought to do the real damage. That describes heading a ball perfectly.

It is fairly arguable that TPN should not play again in 2012.

Cyclo: I for one, and I'd be interested to see what others think, have no interest in the big hits produced by shoulder charges. Far more interesting and balanced contests are the hallmark of union.




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