Disco's player ratings Wallabies v All Blacks Melbourne 31.07.2010

[disco]

1. Benn Robinson (5) Nothing special but was solid as usual.

2. Stephen Moore (4) Lacks match fitness will get better

3. Maa'fu (4) refer to 1 & 2.

4. Dean Mumm (3) Re starts were terrible really just made up numbers

5. Nathan Sharpe (3) Refer to Dean Mumm

6. Rocky Elsom (5) better 2nd half but was part of the problem with ill discipline in the 1st half & as captain just not good enough.

7. David Pocok (9) In a well beaten team he was brilliant, really is a class act there is not enough words to describe how good he is.

8. Richard Brown (5) Tried hard but fell off a lot of tackles.

9. Will Genia (2) Worst I have ever seen him play. Should have been subbed early when it was clear he wasn't going to put his head over the ball when we needed it. Tackled like a pussy cat also. Very disappointing.

10. Matt Giteau (6) Had a good game made that early bust looked good in attack & defence.

11.Drew Mitchell (1) I thought he was going to have a big game when he scored the charge down try but another brain snap may have him watching the remaining games from home.

12. Berrick Barnes (2) The free fall continues he was terrible again tonight.

13. Rob Horne (3) I like the man but he's not cutting the mustard on the big stage just doesn't seem physical enough needs to bulk up about another 5-6kg.

14. James O'conner (4) really nothing much to report he like a few others did nothing wrong but was otherwise MIA.

15. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) (8) Best back by some way, if we could clone him & another Pocock we'd be brilliant.

Reserves: Fainga'a (6) Slipper (4) Simmons (4).

Beale, A Fainga'a & Burgess - no rating

 

[cyclopath]

You are overly generous.

 

[disco]

Yeah other than Pocock & AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) I could probably take off 1 point each.

 

[Reddy!]

Shit, I haven't watched the game but those ratings are appalling.

If there is going to be a fair rating system, there should be a rating for Robbie Deans, who should score 0.

 

[dobduff11]

Didn't see maafu all night how many carries did he make?
Richard brown tried hard but missed alot of tackles and needs to be replaced by hodgo
Berrick barnes missed alot of tackles tonight unusual for him and he had no real impact should have started a finger.
JOC (James O'Connor) was good tonight but not alot of ball i think he only missed one tackle and made a load of them

Rob horne good player but he needs more time, people complain about his impact but he has made two searing breaks in the internationals he has played in and needs more ball, give him more games and he will grow into the role not every centre can make two breaks a game even bod took time to make breaks for ireland

Genia was poor tonight looked laboured and disinterested, also defence was not at all gregan-esque missed oppurtunites to stop two tries which burgo probs would have made

 

[Gnostic]

My rating just for what its worth (not much):-
1. Robinson - 4 Re-starts?
2. Moore - 3 Anonymous. Note how much Fainga'a was involved when he came on.
3. Ma'afu - 3 Two games in a row where he carries and defends is obviously too much to ask.
4. Mumm - 4 good ball carries and secure on own lineout-. That is it. Re-starts? Compete on Op. Lineout?
5. Sharpe - 4 same as Mumm. Except he was obviously still suffering from having his teeth knocked out and shouldn't have been selected.
6. Elsom - 3 as Captain starts by yelling at ref. good one. Then doesn't do much when he can't play centre or wing. Re-starts?
7. Pocock - 10 - What more could he do? No support from his back row partners. Look at the video the turnover and penalties he won he did so usually by himself.
8. Brown - 3 carried the ball 50 (slight exageration) for 25 metres. Palmed off by a winger. Re-starts?
9. Genia - 5 with no backrow to speak of is it any wonder he struggled to get on the front foot?
10. Giteau - 4 is not a 10.
11. Mitchell - 0 Red card. Saw it coming a mile off and so should he. End of international career.
12. Barnes - 3 rushed up on defence which could have been effective if he didn't then fall off the tackles. Kick charged again. No metres in attack. A. Fainga'a anyone?
13. Horne - 4 when Barnes rushed up on defence he was left stranded many times. Did he get passed the ball at all tonight?
14. JOC (James O'Connor) - 3 He has again shown he is not a winger. ran towards touch after the first break and then refused to pass the ball to Horne who was unmarked.
15. AAC (Adam Ashley-Cooper) - 7 Mr Reliable. Even concussed he is by far the most consistant Wallaby back.

 

[Bod]

If that's the end of DMs international career can we have him at Bath please - ask him to contact Steve Meehan, we've still go some salary cap left and we now have a billion dollar sugar daddy!

http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/bathrugbynews/Bath-Rugby-gets-green-light-planners-new-headquarters/article-2474531-detail/article.html?

 

[Reddy!]

Mitchell did however score our only try of the first half, got to give him some credit for that.

 

[barbarian]

Mitchell's international career is not over. In fact, he will play the next game. He made a few stupid errors, but looked OK with ball in hand, and is one of the few genuine wingers we have left.

You can't drop a player because he was red carded. That's a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

[Gnostic]

Mitchell's international career is not over. In fact, he will play the next game. He made a few stupid errors, but looked OK with ball in hand, and is one of the few genuine wingers we have left.

You can't drop a player because he was red carded. That's a perfect example of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Apart from the charge down did he get ball in hand? He spent 30 minutes on the field. When he went to the bin the game was already effectively over. I will probably be banned from the club but country before club, bye bye Drew, in comes Shep and Turner.

It is the shear stupidity of what he did that deserves the dropping. The fact that he has had these snaps before and he was on notice already makes it fait acompli.

 

[BRIX]

If that's the end of DMs international career can we have him at Bath please - ask him to contact Steve Meehan, we've still go some salary cap left and we now have a billion dollar sugar daddy!

http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/bathrugbynews/Bath-Rugby-gets-green-light-planners-new-headquarters/article-2474531-detail/article.html?

LOL, I thought Chris Malone a few years back was generous! :lmao:

 

[BRIX]

Apart from the charge down did he get ball in hand? He spent 30 minutes on the field. When he went to the bin the game was already effectively over. I will probably be banned from the club but country before club, bye bye Drew, in comes Shep and Turner.

It is the shear stupidity of what he did that deserves the dropping. The fact that he has had these snaps before and he was on notice already makes it fait acompli.

Drew played well and was in the bin when the interference warning was given by Joubert, I blame Rocky for not relaying the message, on the display in the last few weeks I don't think he's fit to be captain. AIS won't give Turner up, he'll kill it in the 7's. Although it urks me to say, Shepard has a lot to prove before he is gifted gold.

 

[The Chainsaw]

:yayThere are big worries with Deans' coaching set-up. The scrum is still rickety. Eventually someone will exploit it in the Tr-nations and we will be in bigger problems. The scrum is not any better than when we played England, and they are the only to have exploited this area. When do we compete in opposition lineouts? C'mon Jim! When the game needed a driving / rolling maul, they were as poor an under-12 team. The attack is too lateral, the players have no line speed in attack / defence and they have no balance in the team selection.
So, it comes down to coaching and selecting. Williams and Graham are out of their league. Young is not always good. As much as I hate to say it, the human parasite, Foley, is the best option as a set piece coach, scott Johnson or Pat Howard are proven backs coaches and Matt Taylor (QLD) has proven himself as a teriffic defence coach.
The selections are unbalanced. The tight head prop looks scared out there and he is the lynch pin of the scrum. I hate to say it, but Dunning (sigh) needs to come in and shore it up. Mumm is a typical sydney spiv imposter. His kick off receptions (lack of) changed the game. The balance in the backrow is wrong. We need someone more direct and has some mongrel - Hodgkin. A week ago, i would have said Higginbotham, but he played like a sook who was not allowed to go to Splendor on saturday (you can't treat club rugby with disdain, Higgas). Brown / Pocock is not balanced. Rocky is not a leader, and he needs some angry pills or NoDoz. Horne looks out on saturday, but he is like a startled deer in the few chances he gets in a mis-firing back-line.
Bolters - McCabe - mongrel and direct
Hodgkin -ditto
Dunning - at least it is not Baxter
Get rid of that school kid from Sunnybank - get Elsom in the 2nd row
Faiinga in the centres - direct and can tackle

Thoughts?

 

[Aussie D]

Have to say I disagree Chainsaw. We've tried the two opensides before with Smith / Waugh (you could argue we've been using it this year with Pocock / Brown) and it doesn't work. It doesn't win you more ball or make you more effective at the breakdown. We need another mongrel at flanker / 8 such as higginbottom or McCalman who will clean out at the breakdown. Bring Simmons on for Mumm as we need his mongrel (Mumm was ineffective with his ball carries due to poor bodyheight and useless at restarts). As for coaching can someone give Andrew Blades a call and ask him to take over the forwards or possibly Matt Ryan as both of those blokes would slap the tight 5 into shape if necessary. No-one has mentioned Campese as a possible backs coach or Alan Gaffney both of who would be much more effective than Richard Graham appears to be doing.

 

[RedsHappy]

....No-one has mentioned Campese as a possible backs coach or Alan Gaffney both of who would be much more effective than Richard Graham appears to be doing.....

Aussie D, Campo is a very interesting name to bring into the mix, and why not?! Graham surely can be assessed now as being ineffective at best, and less than competent at worst. Hasn't Campo had endless fall-outs all over the Aus rugby community though?...i have vague recollections of this over the last few years...do we know anything of his coaching abilities or record in that area?

 

[Aussie D]

He speaks his mind which is frowned down upon in Oz rugby as everyone is supposed to toe the party line and he criticises poor play. He was attack coach for the sharks in the S14 in -06/7 and they played some good attacking rugby in those years, losing the final in '07 in the final minute when Habana scored.

 

[disco]

No-one has mentioned Campese as a possible backs coach or Alan Gaffney both of who would be much more effective than Richard Graham appears to be doing

I've mentioned Gaffney on the "sack Deans thread" but I would be very happy with Campo as well.

 

[The Chainsaw]

I would not call for Deans' sacking - but he needs to be more proactive in the use of subs and get rid of his assistants. Gaffney is a good coach, but he is more appreciated in the UK and Ireland than here. Part of being an astute coach is using the subs at the right time and it can be argued that subs should be better than the players on the field. With a bit over a year to go, it is time to make changes in the assistants roles. The assistants should have had some Head Coaching experience - take the All Blacks, for example.

By the way, I was not pushing for 2 opensides - in fact, the opposite. My point is that Higgas would be the most logical, but he has little mental strength based on his efforts when he goes back to club rugby. Chip kicking should not be part of his repotoir.:yay

 

[TheRiddler]

No-one has mentioned Campese as a possible backs coach.

Dont think the ARU has enough silver coins to tempt David away from Sydney Uni - or whoever else is paying him these days.

 

[TOCC]

Higgers isn't the answer, maybe elsom to 8 and mumm to 6 with simmons at 4.

What about Mowen, maybe start him at 6 with mumm dropped