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Depth, or lack thereof

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Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
As can be expected, squad depth is playing a major role in the way the season is playing out, but even a little more than was probably expected before the comp started.

Some teams are almost seamlessly replacing players and keeping a consistent game plan going while others really struggle.

Depth is not just about quality of players but the ability of coaches to integrate the replacements into the game plan so that the loss of the first choice bloke makes as little an impact as possible. Team culture also seems to play a role. It actually lifts some teams if they lose a couple of key players ala Highlanders.

Some of the teams and how their depth is helping them or hampering them:

Highlanders - prime example of great culture, coaching and game plan making up for the fact that no name players and oldies like Tony Brown are the backups. They just seem to soldier on. Amazing.

Tahs - lack of quality depth in the backs and at hooker. Really costly. Lack of quality backup for TPN, Palu, Horne and Barnes forcing too many changes in the way the team plays. Depth not great at all. Also have issues in leadership when Waugh isn't playing.

Bulls - total shambles when it comes to depth. Forgot to recruit wisely. No apparent depth at all (except for Greylin at LH who is a find). The old big names are battling but the Bulls really have nobody to replace them with. Bakkies is slow and host lost his aggression (for better or worse) Rossouw looks half asleep. Dippenaar at 13 just about cost them the game against the Force and the fact that vd Westhuizen is the outside back on the bench is telling of where they are.

Sharks - Lambie went down and the whole Sharks game plan went down the toilet. To some extent they make up for it with probably the best depth in the pack of any team.

Reds - almost like the Highlanders. Link slots players into the backline with apparent ease and the young guys are very versatile. Sure the loss of Slipper hurt the scrums but they drag themselves through it. Cooper goes down and they are in shit but that's their only really big risk area. Prop backup still dodgy but they get through it.

Force have coped well with the back row injuries and the backs are versatile (they just need to beleive a little more that they can win).

Crusaders - a bit surprised here. I thought they would carry on with business as usual but the Clan exposed a soft underbelly. They are a totally different team without SBW, Carter and Reid. Whitelock at 12 was a disaster, Chris Jack struggles when the game picks up pace, and the bloke who played 8 thiw seek was completely out of his depth.

Blues - better backline depth than most but does it actually cause some selection problems for them as they can't seem to decide which is the best combo?

Brumbies - Can't seem to get new combinations to gel at all. There are bigger issues there than depth it seems.

Anyway, some rambling food for thought and most of it states the obvious but it's interesting to see how the squads seem to stack up in this respect.
 
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The Highlanders certainly surprised me how good they were without Thompson and Slade. They're a very well coached side.
 

rugbysmartarse

Alan Cameron (40)
Good post blue. It's interesting to see the way different teams adapt to change - that's probably a bigger issue than having depth. I read something about hickey where he said (paraphrasing) "new replacements take a few games to get their game right and understand the combinations and moves" which I found incredible. Surely you have to plan for the eventuality that players will get injured. I completely agree the highlanders and reds do this best - crusaders too (usually)
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
In their defense the Crusaders probably made too many changes in one go. They went well when the only change was Berquist but they rested SBW and the new 10/12 combo was pretty crap.

Still surprised how average they looked but that takes away from the Clan who I canlt help but liking plenty at the moment. These guys play the game just about right for mine.
 

Gnostic

Mark Ella (57)
Blue I would say that the Tahs haven't changed their game plan at all. Even when they had most players fit in Week 3 their mode of play was poor. Their execution which made them so dominant in Weeks 1 and 2 fell away and has returned to its normal, just scrape by levels we see most years.
 

farva

Vay Wilson (31)
I think what we are seeing, particularly in Australia, is how a quality coach can make a side.
Consider that the Brumbies had one of the best lists out there, but are floundering. The Tahs looked at the start of the season to easily have the Oz conference, but they are struggling. The Reds on the other hand have barely missed a beat when someone is out. And he Rebels are exceeding expectations based on their list.
 

Ruggo

Mark Ella (57)
The Cheetahs strike me to have good depth. I can't help but feel they have some very underated players in their ranks. I would love to see it click for them one day.
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
The Cheetahs strike me to have good depth. I can't help but feel they have some very underated players in their ranks. I would love to see it click for them one day.

Lol thought you were joking but I suppose they are on an equally crap level.

Yeah, one day of they can have a decent player in all 22 starting positions and the Union isn't run like a large family in a a hick town.
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
In the case of the Waratahs it is goes back a couple of seasons - Hickey has been reluctant to blood players for some time now, preferring to make forced changes once players are broken. Recruitment has been pretty average too. On the other hand, there have been a few injuries...but then on the other hand squad rotation does not seem to have been a policy from day 1.

Another issue is that the top coaches build depth by developing their players and making the most of the players' abilities.
 

Gagger

Nick Farr-Jones (63)
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Great post Blue

It seems to me that the Tahs go shit or bust: you're either a megastar, or raw development

Whereas Link has done more budgeting in those gaps; older heads (Samo, Van, AWH) or left-field (Harris, Robinson). You also see him work far more of a squad rotation and strategic subs policy. I'd wager managing a Top 14 / Heiny cup side has made doing this in a SuperRugby side seem a piece of piss (relatively speaking)
 

Richo

John Thornett (49)
I wonder if we'll see more coaches recruited with experience in Europe once the reality of the extended Super season hits home? Doing so would make sense, especially with with southern hemisphere coaches who already have experience with the different pace the game is played down here.
 

Scotty

David Codey (61)
Great post Blue

It seems to me that the Tahs go shit or bust: you're either a megastar, or raw development

Whereas Link has done more budgeting in those gaps; older heads (Samo, Van, AWH) or left-field (Harris, Robinson). You also see him work far more of a squad rotation and strategic subs policy. I'd wager managing a Top 14 / Heiny cup side has made doing this in a SuperRugby side seem a piece of piss (relatively speaking)

The Tahs game plan almost ensures a high attrition rate with injuries. They are very similar to the Stormers in the way they play, and it is a successful way on an individual basis, but it is limited and difficult to repeat through a whole season. Some seasons you will be able to do it almost the whole way, but you never really get an easy game because you don't score enough points against weak opposition to be able to turn partially off and use a lot of subs or rotation (there are some obvious exceptions of course). It also means you struggle if you get behind on the scoreboard by any significant amount because there is no plan B.

It is a Test match football type plan - get everyone up for the big Test and it will win you more than you loose. I'm not sure it is totally suited to Super rugby and especially the slightly longer season though. Especially if you come out of the blocks on fire, instead of building into the season (such as what is currently happening with the Tahs, and what is possible to happen with the Stormers).

At the moment the Reds have the balance of game plans, and it allows for more rotation, not just due to injury, which in itself develops more depth. The Reds didn't make up this method though, the masters, the Saders have always done it. Great strength in the set pieced, good forward interaction, strong defense and brilliant attacking backs. Plenty of rotation which puts them in good stead for the final part of the season. Link has used the Saders as the blueprint, and I feel he has gone into this season with a view to winning (where as last year the goal was likely only finals) and has used the first 6-7 weeks to rotate a lot of players. He is likely to reduce the rotation on a week to week basis, with the exception being when playing a weaker team (not many of these left though).

So I guess I am trying to link rotation to game plan variety. It was a bit of a brain fart though, and not all that clearly thought through.

Off to build my son a table for his train set now....
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Some truth in your post Reddy but unfortunately Barnes, Palu and TPN are extremely injury prone, regardless of game plan.

I put the Reds apparent depth down to good recruitment and very good coaching. Two things the Tahs are particularly bad at.

On an aside, what do you think will happen to the Reds of Cooper goes down? Who will take over and how will they alter play? Not sure even Link has an answer to that.
 

Newb

Trevor Allan (34)
harris has played fly half in NPC hasn't he? could be him. lucas has, but i'm over that. full back or bench for him i reckon.

quade's very good at self-preservation (backflips notwithstanding). you'd notice that if you observed him on defense.
 
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On an aside, what do you think will happen to the Reds of Cooper goes down? Who will take over and how will they alter play? Not sure even Link has an answer to that.

Ben Lucas kept Quade Cooper on the bench through certain schoolboys matches, ahe also did during the ARC when they were both playing for the East Coast Aces, Lucas was first choice 5/8.

Mike Harris was also starting 5/8 in the NPC for North Harbour..

Whilst they aren't of Quade Cooper caliber, they are both worthy substitutes.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
Stormers have excellent debt and a good mixture of experiense and young ones. They havent tour but they have lost the likes of Liebenberg, Schalk, F Louw, Grant, Jean de Villiers, Jac Fourie, Habana, Aplon and Jantjies and still look good thus far. Young ones like van Aswegen, Poolman, Johann Sadie, Cronje, Elstadt, Steenkamp, Koster havent look out of place on S15 level. I also like the coaches attetude of not playing 100% fit players and the way they use the Vodacom Competition to keep all their borderline first XV players match fit. In the Vodacom Cup they still are unbeaten and having some S14 experiense backup like Jantjies, JJ Engelbrecht, Whitehead, Bosch, JD Moller, Fondse and Anron van Zyl waiting for their change to be call apon.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
The Vodacom Cup gives a good look in the SA teams depth. This weekend the Sharks comes to town for a double header of the two SA log leaders on Newlands. Voda quater final and the team sheets look like this.
S15
Stormers:
15 Conrad Jantjes, 14 Gio Aplon, 13 Jaque Fourie, 12 Jean de Villiers, 11 Bryan Habana, 10 Peter Grant/ Lionel Cronje, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Duane Vermeulen, 7 Francois Louw, 6 Schalk Burger (captain), 5 Andries Bekker, 4 Rynhardt Elstadt, 3 CJ van der Linde, 2 Deon Fourie, 1 Wicus Blaauw

Substitutes: 16 Ethienne Reynecke, 17 Brok Harris, 18 De Kock Steenkamp, 19 Nick Koster, 20 Ricky Januarie, 21 Lionel Cronje/ Kurt Coleman, 22 Juan de Jongh

WP:
Marcel Brache, Danie Poolman, Johann Sadie, Paul Bosch, JJ Engelbrecht, Kurt Coleman/Demetri Catrakilis, Nic Groom, Tertius Daniller, Siya Kolisi, Wimpie van der Walt, Anton van Zyl, Adriaan Fondse, JD Moller (k), Sidney Tobias, Alistair Vermaak.
PLAASVERVANGERS: Tiaan Liebenberg, Steven Kitshoff, Tom Botha, ^ Roux, Hilton Lobberts, Louis Schreuder, Tim Whitehead.

Sharks team not out yet but should be
Luddick, JP Pietersen, Terreblanche, Bosman, Mvovo, Lampie, McLeod, Kankowski, Alberts, Daniels, Sykes, Skeate, Jannie, Smit, Beast
Reserves: Bismarck, van Staden, Hargreave, Deysel, Hoffman, Jacobs, Ndungane

Sharks XV
15. Gouws Prinsloo 14. Mark Richards 13. Jerome Pretorius 12. Riaan Swanepoel 11. Sbura Sithole 10. Jacques-Louis Potgieter 9. Cobus Reinach 8. Marcell Coetzee 7. Lambert Groenewald 6. Francois Kleinhans 5. Gerhard Mostert 4. Anton Bresler 3. Wiehahn Herbst 2. Craig Burden 1. Dale Chadwick

Replacements
16. Kyle Cooper 17. Sabelo Nhlapo 18. Jandre Marais 19. Daniel Adongo 20. Ross Cronje 21. Heimar Williams 22. Rosko Specman
 

Blue

Andrew Slack (58)
Stormers have excellent debt and a good mixture of experiense and young ones. They havent tour but they have lost the likes of Liebenberg, Schalk, F Louw, Grant, Jean de Villiers, Jac Fourie, Habana, Aplon and Jantjies and still look good thus far. Young ones like van Aswegen, Poolman, Johann Sadie, Cronje, Elstadt, Steenkamp, Koster havent look out of place on S15 level. I also like the coaches attetude of not playing 100% fit players and the way they use the Vodacom Competition to keep all their borderline first XV players match fit. In the Vodacom Cup they still are unbeaten and having some S14 experiense backup like Jantjies, JJ Engelbrecht, Whitehead, Bosch, JD Moller, Fondse and Anron van Zyl waiting for their change to be call apon.

Yip, Stormers have the best overall depth.

Paarl, as for van Aswegen and Cronje I am sorry to say they both look pretty average to me. Didn't see much to make me sit up and take notice.

The Sharks back line depth is pretty crap if Riaan Swanepoel is going to be the best they can do in the centres. The props are quicker.
 

PaarlBok

Rod McCall (65)
The Sharks back line depth is pretty crap if Riaan Swanepoel is going to be the best they can do in the centres. The props are quicker.
Tim Whitehead on the WP bench for us show our midfield depth. He will make most S15 teams. Pretty disappointed for Sadie, he sure look the goods when he got his change for the Stormers. Also like the looks of the Ikey Greek, Catrakilis, in the Varsity Cup final. Have a good boot and a busy 10. Gary van Aswegen look pretty impressive Blou. He is out now for the season, not big but kick and distribute well.
 
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