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Spook
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Don't blame Ireland lads. Lewis was out of his depth and pretty getting on a bit in years. I hate the pre-conceived notions about the Aussie scrum. They just don't apply anymore.
Ash
Michael Lynagh (62)
Woodcock definitely was over Baxter, but Robinson was over Tialata. Woeful reffing of the scrum.
Two of the most puzzling scrum calls ever back to back - calls Robinson for collapsing when unsighted, but replays showed it was clearly Tialata. Then calls the Wallabies for going early when the All Blacks pulled back on the engage - dispite him clearly having called "engage". Not to mention then purposely targetting Moore for not rolling away right afterwards, despite moving and not being near the ball - that one just looked pathetic and low, it really looked like he targetted a player he had problems with.
I really hope he never gets another international gig again.
Two of the most puzzling scrum calls ever back to back - calls Robinson for collapsing when unsighted, but replays showed it was clearly Tialata. Then calls the Wallabies for going early when the All Blacks pulled back on the engage - dispite him clearly having called "engage". Not to mention then purposely targetting Moore for not rolling away right afterwards, despite moving and not being near the ball - that one just looked pathetic and low, it really looked like he targetted a player he had problems with.
I really hope he never gets another international gig again.
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Spook
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I thought it was bizarre that Moore was pinged for "repeatedly" going early. I don't think I've ever seen the hooker pulled up for that but I didn't play in the front row. 
To which I might add Lewis's overly pedantic rulings and complete lack of advantage early in the match. If this was an attempt to "stamp his authority on the play early in the match" it was pathetic. This attitude some NH referees have they must be part of the spectacle is extremely frustrating to both players and spectators.
One thing I emphasise to players before any game I ref is the fact no one came to see me perform: the players want to enjoy a game of rugby and their friends want to watch them, so I promise to whistle as little as I can get away with. My record is a game with only six penalties. If only some pricks with whistles higher up took the same approach.
One thing I emphasise to players before any game I ref is the fact no one came to see me perform: the players want to enjoy a game of rugby and their friends want to watch them, so I promise to whistle as little as I can get away with. My record is a game with only six penalties. If only some pricks with whistles higher up took the same approach.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
It was a perfectly timed hit from the Wobbs and the ABs didn't even move.
Were it a title fight, Woodcock would have scored a narrow win. I thought Baxter held him off very well. Robinson had Tialata over a barrel and it goes to show that you can give away 15kg if the other bloke is poo. Tialata embodies everything Rodney Blake brought to Australian scrummaging - good ball running skills.
Ash said:
Were it a title fight, Woodcock would have scored a narrow win. I thought Baxter held him off very well. Robinson had Tialata over a barrel and it goes to show that you can give away 15kg if the other bloke is poo. Tialata embodies everything Rodney Blake brought to Australian scrummaging - good ball running skills.
Scotty
David Codey (61)
In my opinion a 14-14 scoreline would have been a fair reflection of the game - the AB played rubbish in the first half and the Wallabies played rubbish in the second.
I have no doubt that it was the referee that decided a winner.
You only have too look at the complete bias of a few incidents to have this confirmed:
1. The aforementioned penalising of Moore for not rolling away (despite having rolled out of the way), compared to his ignoring McCaw blatantly walking around a ruck (maybe 15mins to go in the game) to put pressure on the half while the ball was still in.
2. Ignoring Barnes' being apparently being tackled without the ball (although it was difficult to see), and then from the subsequent restart ignoring an AB knock on (man in the air clearly appeared to knock it forward to another AB), and another apparent forward pass just after for McCaws try.
I have no doubt that it was the referee that decided a winner.
You only have too look at the complete bias of a few incidents to have this confirmed:
1. The aforementioned penalising of Moore for not rolling away (despite having rolled out of the way), compared to his ignoring McCaw blatantly walking around a ruck (maybe 15mins to go in the game) to put pressure on the half while the ball was still in.
2. Ignoring Barnes' being apparently being tackled without the ball (although it was difficult to see), and then from the subsequent restart ignoring an AB knock on (man in the air clearly appeared to knock it forward to another AB), and another apparent forward pass just after for McCaws try.
Pfitzy
Nathan Sharpe (72)
3. The ruck at which Hynes stole the ball and was put to deck, followed immediately by an AB player flying in off their feet from the side, covering the ball up and then having it mysteriously pop out on their own side.
4. McCaw walking straight into our side of the ruck despite not being the tackler at one point (he fell to one knee attempting to make the tackle a couple of metres back) - what really shit me about this is no-one from our team gave him the pile-driver followed by the rucking he so desperately deserved. If someone from the opposition did that at any level you'd clear them out to hell and back.
5. Ali Williams being allowed to stomp Moore's legs and then pick a fight, while the ref warned Moore.
6. Any number of scrum issues
Really you could go on all day. Is it any wonder the Kiwis get so pissed off when their team bombs at RWC time after getting a competent refereeing performance? The rest of the time the refs let them get away with murder.
Still, we were soft as a pensioner's turd and I can bet we'll look flat against the Eyeties because we always play down to the level of our opposition.
4. McCaw walking straight into our side of the ruck despite not being the tackler at one point (he fell to one knee attempting to make the tackle a couple of metres back) - what really shit me about this is no-one from our team gave him the pile-driver followed by the rucking he so desperately deserved. If someone from the opposition did that at any level you'd clear them out to hell and back.
5. Ali Williams being allowed to stomp Moore's legs and then pick a fight, while the ref warned Moore.
6. Any number of scrum issues
Really you could go on all day. Is it any wonder the Kiwis get so pissed off when their team bombs at RWC time after getting a competent refereeing performance? The rest of the time the refs let them get away with murder.
Still, we were soft as a pensioner's turd and I can bet we'll look flat against the Eyeties because we always play down to the level of our opposition.
Scarfman
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7. The ruck near the end when Hynes got isolated and just as Barnes? was coming to the rescue, Sivivatu runs right round the ruck to tackle Barnes without the ball just before he gets to the ruck.
8. Offside. Pick your ruck.
How someone can just ref one side like that AT THIS LEVEL is astonishing. And we've got him again. Maybe he's stupid enough to even things up in our favour.
8. Offside. Pick your ruck.
How someone can just ref one side like that AT THIS LEVEL is astonishing. And we've got him again. Maybe he's stupid enough to even things up in our favour.
What disturbed me the most was his pathological targeting of Moore for everything. I mean the scrum stuff was one thing, but some of the breakdown incidents were a joke. That said, he oughta start trying to get the hell out of the way at breakdowns faster, as I'm sure they'll be all over him each week (the refs, i mean).
LOL!naza said:
Actually, it brings up another issue. Did anyone else notice the ABs using an old technique at breakdowns - players not really bound, in front of the ball who just subtly interfere with defenders particularly as the ball is being cleared. Creates a nice safe zone for the 9, and a bit of a channel either side for pick and go. Used to be called the "pillars". Very effective, and unnoticed by the ref. If they can get away with it, good luck to them.
Grandmaster Flash
Johnnie Wallace (23)
cyclopath said:
There was a incident not long before fulltime when Sivi ran so blatantly infront of a ruck to prevent Wallaby defenders from joining it it was comical.
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