Deans SOS to Burgess?

[tigerland12]

Is that possible without an aussie contract?

And.why? He hasn't used 3 halfbacks on a tour yet. Why not take Kingi or Lucas?

Lucas is injured and Kingi isn't good enough.

There is no way Toulouse will release Burgess to play. They will lose Vergallo to Argentina again, meaning they only have two contracted half-backs left in their squad.

So no chance at Burgo playing for the Wallabies anytime soon.

 

[qwerty51]

They don't have a choice... Autumn tests are in the official IRB window. Also they wouldn't mind that much seeing as he was been used off the bench the last couple of games and they're not playing during that time.

There's no dangerous precedent being set, this is an exception due to injuries.

 

[daz]

Because Burgess is better and if he had managed Burgess properly, he would still be available now.

Not good enough, ChargerWA. How was he mismanaged? How do you know Burgess would still be available?

Don't mind you saying Burgess was better (debatable and discussion worthy, at least), but lack of facts behind your other comments makes it slightly trollish.

 

[Braveheart81]

The moment players are given extra playing time for the Wallabies as a carrot to stay in Australia will be a very poor step forward for Australian rugby.

 

[qwerty51]

Geez some of you are distorting this! This isn't Burgess coming out saying he wants to play for Australia, he would be rightly shut down if that was the case. This is our coach requesting that Burgess makes himself available because of our lack of depth in the halfback position. Shouldn't the coach get the best players available to him? Robbie himself would know of any repercussions if he laxed on the overseas players rule. I really can't see a 'dangerous precedent' being set. This is in the best interests of the Wallabies, in order to win we need the best players..

 

[Inside Shoulder]

qwerty51 - its in the best interests of these Wallabies and their coach but its not in the long term interests of anyone to break rules because it just happens to suit you today.
It haunts you tomorrow.

 

[ChargerWA]

Not good enough, ChargerWA. How was he mismanaged? How do you know Burgess would still be available?

Don't mind you saying Burgess was better (debatable and discussion worthy, at least), but lack of facts behind your other comments makes it slightly trollish.

Ummm, not sure when you became the forum police, feel free to debate a point I have made and disagree with my opinion but your judgements of my intentions and additional admonishments are neither welcome or correct.

My opinion is that Robbie Deans poorly managed luke Burgess's career. He was clearly the second best halfback in Australia and incumbent before Genia arrived on the scene. I don't have time to trawl through all of the game data to quantify my opinion, but many others share my view and believe it is a pattern in Robbie Deans tenure at the Wallabies to poorly manage the careers of the senior player around the Wallabies in favour of his latest wunderkind. See Giteau/Cooper and Sharpe/Simmons for further evidence to my point.

Feel free to hop down off your clydesdale and rejoin the conversation in good faith at your leisure.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

ChargerWA i think that's a long term trait in Australian rugby: we are always looking for the next big thing and are all too ready to embrace the unproven in the hope for some magic improvement in the whole team's performance. Imagine how many times the unflashy Conrad Smith would have been benched if he were an ozzie in favour of any number of players (JOC (James O'Connor), Tapuai, McCabe just off the top of my head).....guess what?
He's outlasted them all.

 

[Braveheart81]

Burgess had played one year of test rugby before Genia burst onto the scene.

I really don't think Burgess was treated poorly except for the RWC where he should have got more time off the bench as Genia was in poor form and Burgess was making an impact when he came on.

Genia was one of the Wallabies best in those years. I don't think you can reasonably argue that Deans managed Burgess' career poorly.

 

[boyo]

Good luck with that RD: you will need it.

 

[qwerty51]

Genia was one of the Wallabies best in those years. I don't think you can reasonably argue that Deans managed Burgess' career poorly.

Maybe not Burgess' but Genia's. Burn out.

 

[Braveheart81]

Genia was definitely overcooked at the RWC last year. He'd played a long season and had dropped well off his top form. Burgess should have been given much more game time.

I don't think Genia's knee injury this year can be blamed on anything or anyone though.

 

[daz]

Ummm, not sure when you became the forum police, feel free to debate a point I have made and disagree with my opinion but your judgements of my intentions and additional admonishments are neither welcome or correct.

Feel free to hop down off your clydesdale and rejoin the conversation in good faith at your leisure.

I think you will find I did debate a point you made; I asked you to expand from a factless and arbitrary comment you made. A bit of substance to support your position is all you needed to add.

Thanks.

 

[Braveheart81]

Remember Rule 10 guys.

Pointless arguments can only revolve around centres, locks, NSW vs Queensland or Pat McCabe.

That's rule 10 right?

 

[qwerty51]

Genia was definitely overcooked at the RWC last year. He'd played a long season and had dropped well off his top form. Burgess should have been given much more game time.

I don't think Genia's knee injury this year can be blamed on anything or anyone though.

Not his knee injury but him wanting a break from rugby to go to Japan?

 

[Bruce Ross]

I predict that this thread will soon wither and die. The basis for my opinion is that notwithstanding 35 posts to date wj hasn't bought into it yet.
.

 

[Braveheart81]

I predict that this thread will soon wither and die. The basis for my opinion is that notwithstanding 35 posts to date wj hasn't bought into it yet.
.

I believe the Waratahs scheduled WJ to be available for a photo session sitting on Michael Cheika's lap today.

 

[Slim 293]

I don't rate Phipps, but if he's deemed good enough to play against New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina..........

Why do we need to send out an SOS to anybody for a tour up north?

 

[Braveheart81]

I guess it's on the basis that currently the selectors mustn't feel confident picking three halfbacks for the tour who are in Australia and are healthy.

 

[The Red Baron]

I think you will find I did debate a point you made; I asked you to expand from a factless and arbitrary comment you made. A bit of substance to support your position is all you needed to add.

Thanks.

I don't like this sentiment.

I see no problem in Chargers comments, he is voicing his opinion of Burgess. If you disagree with that point, fine. I don't see why we should have to reference our arguments, if we are voicing our opinion.

If we have to start posting references to support our views, then Gagr will get boring pretty damn quickly. One man's fact is another man's fiction.

From reading Chargers posts, he believes that Burgess was poorly managed. In my opinion, during the RWC he most definitely was. Did he go off to France as he was frustrated? Maybe, maybe not. Is it really that harmful to speculate?