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Dick Tooth (41)
Well, as coach, one would think he'd see how poor our technique is in everything, and actually fucking DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
Deans contract extension
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Well, as coach, one would think he'd see how poor our technique is in everything, and actually fucking DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!
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Charlie Fox (21)
hear hear.
Bruce Ross
Ken Catchpole (46)
As Jack Lang said, IS, "In the race of life,always back self interest - at least you know it's trying." My money's on him not giving up the rumoured million dollar package 'til the death which, given the ARU's form in extending his contract for no discernible reason, may turn out to be literally true.
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ChargerWA
Mark Loane (55)
The talk about a new coach not having enough time to get into the program before the Lions tour, therefore Robbie must stay is bullshit.
The ARU essentially wrote off the Lions tour when they extended Deans contract with zero justification.
Time to let someone else in and see if they can make the changes required. Both Link and White turned a team around in only 12 months, proving it is possible.
And if Link doesn't want the job, offer it to White.
The ARU essentially wrote off the Lions tour when they extended Deans contract with zero justification.
Time to let someone else in and see if they can make the changes required. Both Link and White turned a team around in only 12 months, proving it is possible.
And if Link doesn't want the job, offer it to White.
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TOCC
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Just putting this out there...
Given Links new role at the Reds puts him less hands on and more of a delegation type role... What's to stop him from filling both the Wallabies and Reds coaching roles, at least in the interim...
If he were to assemble a team of assistant coaches and staff that he were able to delegate at Test level, he could fill the role for the next 12 months at least..
Wayne Bennett used to balance the Broncos/QLD/Australia coaching roles in a similar fashion...... Obviously not ideal, but I don't think leaving the Reds in pre-season would win over many supporters from the QRU or even the players at the Reds who signed with the belief he would be coach.
Given Links new role at the Reds puts him less hands on and more of a delegation type role... What's to stop him from filling both the Wallabies and Reds coaching roles, at least in the interim...
If he were to assemble a team of assistant coaches and staff that he were able to delegate at Test level, he could fill the role for the next 12 months at least..
Wayne Bennett used to balance the Broncos/QLD/Australia coaching roles in a similar fashion...... Obviously not ideal, but I don't think leaving the Reds in pre-season would win over many supporters from the QRU or even the players at the Reds who signed with the belief he would be coach.
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
^^^ We had an ARU CEO who managed to also be a director of Echo Gambling ltd for a period of time.
"Double Hatting" is nothing new.
"Double Hatting" is nothing new.
Bardon
Peter Fenwicke (45)
Agree on this point. Whatever way you look at it a new coach is going to be of benefit to the Wallabies. When it's gotten to the point of pretty much everyone wondering when and not if he'll go not much can be gained from him staying on. It's certainly not impossible that he'll deliver a Lions series win, as the advantage is with the home side more and more on Lions tours, but at what cost to the long term development of the game in Aus. If someone is doing such a poor job that it's causing long term damage then the question should not be will a new guy have enough time it should be can we afford to let the incumbent have anymore time to increase the damage. The sooner a new guy is in place the sooner Aus rugby can draw a line under the Deans era and looks to the future rather than lurching from one disaster to another with a sprinkling of false dawns in between.
In terms of the Lions tour being too close I would say that is an advantage for a number of reasons:
- New coaches can create a short term feel good factor around the squad and the nation during the honeymoon period and this would like the players and supporters for the duration of the Lions tour.
- A new coach will introduce new faces and freshen up the squad. The newer players will come in with enthusiasm which the established players can feed off.
- There wont be long enough for the new coach to establish who his favourites are meaning selection is more likely to be on merit. This should mean that not only will there be more form players on the park but also players will be optimistic of being picked if they are playing well. In short there will be real competition for places for the Lions tour.
- The new coach won't have long enough to implement a full playbook so things will have to be simplified in the short term. This will make bringing new players in and establishing new combinations easier. Also with simplified moves in the backs we're less likely to see the handling errors that have been a feature of Australia's attack over the last year or so. Also moves don't have to be complicated to be effective.
- Due to the limited time available the new coach will have to work on the areas where the most improvement can be achieved. So rather than trying to change the entire approach they could identify 2-3 keys areas for improvement, e.g. the scrum, attacking alignment. With time short a top scrum specialist could be brought in and maybe a tops back coach could consult at least for the tour.
-Only being able to change some aspects will mean it's more likely that any good aspects from the Deans era would be retained at least in the short term. One aspect that's been impressive over the last year, especially compared to other aspects of Australia's performances, has been the performance of the pack away from the set piece.
When looking at whether to keep Deans on for the Lions tour the ARU should be looking to see if keeping Deans on would out weigh the benefits of bring the new guy in now and not the other way around. Arguments for continuity are mute when it would mean the type of performances Aus have put in so often recently.
As I've said previously I think Deans is a good coach, but when you've tried everything and things are still getting worse it's time to step aside and let someone else give it a try.
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
Don't worry, Link wants it. I have it from the horse's mouth.
The_Brown_Hornet
John Eales (66)
Bardon, as always an insightful comment.
For the long term benefit of the Wallabies and Australian rugby, a new coach must be found. We cannot continue in the manner we currently are, where we are winning barely above 50% of our games and playing poorly to boot. Deans looks to be out of ideas. He's had five or so years and we've not really improved, so you have to ask yourself why we would continue. If a CEO spent five years at company barely taking the place forward most boards would terminate them. This case should be no different.
For the long term benefit of the Wallabies and Australian rugby, a new coach must be found. We cannot continue in the manner we currently are, where we are winning barely above 50% of our games and playing poorly to boot. Deans looks to be out of ideas. He's had five or so years and we've not really improved, so you have to ask yourself why we would continue. If a CEO spent five years at company barely taking the place forward most boards would terminate them. This case should be no different.
BPC
Phil Hardcastle (33)
I like to watch
David Codey (61)
Who could they bring in to the squad?
With the injury toll, they have brought in quite a few who normally would not be considered at this stage of their careers.
Some are even talking about bringing in a 9 who has yet to start in super Rugby!
I think the cupboard is bare of untried Test calibre players ATM.
Joe Blow
John Hipwell (52)
Not every coach of the Wallabies, SA or NZ get the opportunity to coach a series against the Lions. That is one draw card.
In a full strength Wallaby squad right now there would be a good number of Reds players, and some of those very influential within the Wallaby framework (Horwill, Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Higgers, Samo) as well as some up and comers that will figure prominently in the next few years. Many others have had experience playing under Link at NSW.
It would be a reasonably smooth transition for McKenzie and he no doubt already has some kind of short-term plan in place. Qlds brand of rugby more or less suits Wallaby rugby right now with the player pool we have.
I reckon he will jump on it and has just been waiting to be given the nod.
In a full strength Wallaby squad right now there would be a good number of Reds players, and some of those very influential within the Wallaby framework (Horwill, Genia, Cooper, Ioane, Higgers, Samo) as well as some up and comers that will figure prominently in the next few years. Many others have had experience playing under Link at NSW.
It would be a reasonably smooth transition for McKenzie and he no doubt already has some kind of short-term plan in place. Qlds brand of rugby more or less suits Wallaby rugby right now with the player pool we have.
I reckon he will jump on it and has just been waiting to be given the nod.
Bardon
Peter Fenwicke (45)
That's only in recent games and enforced through injury. I think most people would expect Deans to go back to his favourites once the injuries clear up. I know in certain positions (9 & 10) especially Aus have gone through every available option from S15. In this instance a new coach might be able to bring back tried and tested players with caps who don't play under Deans.
With the Wallabies up here there are a few of those players who may not answer the call to Deans but would love to help their country out. Giteau springs to mind as someone who's said in recent days that Deans being in charge led to him signing an extension at Toulon because he doesn't feature in Deans' plans. New faces don't necessarily have to be new caps to provide the same boost.
It is what it is
John Solomon (38)
Deans has not improved one facet of our game or a single player........I'm open to disagreement.
Some might argue he's improved our depth BUT that's been more forced on him and not so much of his doing. None of his discoveries have become 'keepers' and gone on to be world class players.
Who would argue that the following are better off from his coaching tenure?
- Attack
- Defence
- Fitness
- Scrum
- Lineout
- Restarts
- Breakdown competitiveness
- Passing, catching or kicking skills
- Mental toughness
- Consistency
- Physicality (hate that American word)
- Strike rate against main opposition NZ
- Coaching succession planning
- Style of play
Some might argue he's improved our depth BUT that's been more forced on him and not so much of his doing. None of his discoveries have become 'keepers' and gone on to be world class players.
Who would argue that the following are better off from his coaching tenure?
- Attack
- Defence
- Fitness
- Scrum
- Lineout
- Restarts
- Breakdown competitiveness
- Passing, catching or kicking skills
- Mental toughness
- Consistency
- Physicality (hate that American word)
- Strike rate against main opposition NZ
- Coaching succession planning
- Style of play
Hugh Jarse
Rocky Elsom (76)
Press Conference Confusion - Tick
Wobs playing Club Rugby - Tick
Team Discipline - Conceded pass. The same four musketeers keep getting mentioned in dispatches undoing all the good work by the other 30 Top Up contract players.
Stopped Nuci from advancing to Head Coach of Wobs - Tick
Wobs playing Club Rugby - Tick
Team Discipline - Conceded pass. The same four musketeers keep getting mentioned in dispatches undoing all the good work by the other 30 Top Up contract players.
Stopped Nuci from advancing to Head Coach of Wobs - Tick
Schadenfreude
John Solomon (38)
No one else could have made Nick Phipps the Wallaby halfback.
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