Deans contract extension

[rsea]

Not sure if this is old news but I just read it for the first time

Great news for Aussie Rugby

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...-reins-for-two-more-years-20110501-1e36v.html

 

[barbarian]

I am not a fan of reappointing him before the WC. I think his contribution so far has been positive and the team is in a good place, but if I were JON I would review his position after the RWC when his full term can be judged.

 

[daz]

Forget the home town ref syndrome, what about a home town coach? Grumbles just can't let this go....

"This prompted complaints from within some Australian provinces, who believed that reappointing Deans before a World Cup was a dangerous move, especially if the Wallabies have a disastrous campaign in New Zealand."

Let's get the Deans/Anti-Deans thread going all over again. Who will take first swipe? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Bueller?

*Yawn*

 

[tranquility]

I think it is a good idea. What if we have a fantastic world cup? if Robbie is not signed, we would then go into a very strenuous tug of war with more nations than just NZ.

 

[Viking]

Im not opposed or against this decision. There are both positive and negatives for extending his contract. He has done a great job at building some depth and is now starting to get some rewards back for it. Im thinking Deans would like to stay and reap the benefits of the depth he has created. If he leaves post RWC id say he had a good but not great time at the wallabies unless of coarse he wins or under-achieves at the RWC. If he stays the depth I believe is only going to get stronger and we might actually win some trophies. However if he leaves Ewen McKenzie would be a great replacement. But i'm thinking Ewen he would be the only valid replacement at the moment. He might actually be a better coach for the wallabies and being an Aussie with an attacking coaching style I personally would actually prefer to have Ewen as coach but it's a risk because if they don't re-sign deans or sign Ewen then Id say the wallabies would be screwed finding a decent coach. Im sure Ewen would jump at the chance but better to play it safe then sorry especially when Deans has done a pretty good job and the players seem to like him too.

 

[disco]

I'm happy as McKenzie will now stay on at the Reds for two more seasons & a lot of our test players were pretty quick to put pen to paper so they must be happy playing under Deans.

 

[mark_s]

I would have waited until after the RWC as frankly I suspect Link is ready to take over if needed anyway. I suspecft Deans will still go if we have a poor World Cup anyway - will just cost us more.

 

[Dunnman]

Keep Deans as coach. His record has been fantastic against the All Blacks!

 

[jay-c]

lock him in now>
hes done more in the last few years for development and making the game entertaining than any of the last two
let him enjoy the benefits of what hes creating>>
on a side note id like to see mckenzie assisiting as forwards coach

 

[cyclopath]

Keep Deans as coach. His record has been fantastic against the All Blacks!

By your reasoning all other coaches should therefore be sacked, as they, too, have failed to beat the All Blacks. Actually, if you consider the ABs win 70% or so of all Tests, then we should beat them about 3 out of 10, so he is about 2-3 Tests down on that. Historically, we lose more than we win against NZ, even when we had a "golden period" under Macqueen. Just another way to use stats to confuse the issue!

 

[waratahjesus]

i think its a masterstroke, it worked well when eddie jones did it and this will be just as succesful.

 

[Bruce Ross]

By your reasoning all other coaches should therefore be sacked, as they, too, have failed to beat the All Blacks. Actually, if you consider the ABs win 70% or so of all Tests, then we should beat them about 3 out of 10, so he is about 2-3 Tests down on that. Historically, we lose more than we win against NZ, even when we had a "golden period" under Macqueen. Just another way to use stats to confuse the issue!

It is perhaps fortunate for your patients, cyclo, that mastery of statistical techniques is not necessary for success in your day job.

If, in fact, the All Blacks' success rate is "70% or so of all Tests" a non-trivial proportion of that 70% would have been achieved against countries who have never or very rarely beaten the All Blacks. That being so, their success rate against the major rugby nations would be significantly less.

Our record under Deans of I think 2 out of 11, or 18.2%, is I would suggest less than half of what we should be satisfied with.

 

[WB3]

On the one hand, I think Deans seems to have played a large part in developing some very talented players (Beale, JOC (James O'Connor), Cooper, Pocock et al) and I think he will do well in his longer tenure.
On the other hand, I was looking forward to Link having a stint as national coach. What he has achieved with the Reds has been sensational and I think he could do wonders for the Wallabies as well.

 

[daz]

Our record under Deans of I think 2 out of 11, or 18.2%, is I would suggest less than half of what we should be satisfied with.

If that trend continues, I would also suggest Bruce's stats tell me I will live out the rest of my days without ever seeing the Bledisloe Cup in Wob hands.....

Luckily, Robbie would never allow that to happen. My tarot cards told me that. No, really....

 

[Joe Mac]

I think Deans took over one of the worst Wallaby teams in History. The way he has turned around our depth issues has been fantastic and we will definitely see those results coming through in the next few years.

If JON had waited for the end of the WC we have had no chance in retaining his services.

 

[Sully]

Did I read this wrong? I thought it said that JON wanted to keep him not had kept him.

 

[Hawko]

i think its a masterstroke, it worked well when eddie jones did it and this will be just as succesful.

I like this, its an excellent line, but if I just click on agree some people may think I also agree with your monicker.

 

[cyclopath]

It is perhaps fortunate for your patients, cyclo, that mastery of statistical techniques is not necessary for success in your day job.

If, in fact, the All Blacks' success rate is "70% or so of all Tests" a non-trivial proportion of that 70% would have been achieved against countries who have never or very rarely beaten the All Blacks. That being so, their success rate against the major rugby nations would be significantly less.

Our record under Deans of I think 2 out of 11, or 18.2%, is I would suggest less than half of what we should be satisfied with.

I was being mischievous, Bruce, but thanks for the back-hander about my work abilities nonetheless.
The only semi-serious part of my post was that the extremely high win ratio of the ABs is often overlooked, most commonly in recent times by Kiwis having a laugh at the egregious joke they played upon us with allowing us to poach Robbie from them. They often state they would not accept that record for the ABs, or that Henry was "winning" 9-2 or whatever. Hickey could have coached the ABs to be ahead in that duel about 6-5 or 7-4 I would wager, so it is a fatuous argument.
The only team to get close to parity against the ABs is the Bokke, and we are well down historically. To expect 50% or better is optimism of some proportion.
I would give you the exact figures, but apprently my grasp of stats is too poor to enable such a thing.
Now, off to Google a cheap stats course to further my human development so I can justify my clinical decisions rather than just make shit up! Wondered why this gig seemed so easy.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I'm in favour of it and think the Deans era has been more good than bad. I think we play a better brand of footy now than at nearly any point than during the tenure of E. Jones or Knuckles. Eddie had the benefit of inheriting a team that were in a period of dominance and then didn't develop the mode of play any further, leading to the decline of our forward play and Knuckles made only incremental improvements on that. Deans has taken the broom to the squad and blooded a number of new players and I think the dividends are starting to be seen. He's also started to build a different kind of game plan. It was one that had its issues and in some cases still does, but with the exception of our record against the All Blacks, the results have been better. Even in the NZ games last year there were improvements in each test.

 

[Richo]

Head-to-head it's Wallabies 39, All Blacks 95. Which is bang-on 70%. But in the 1990s, it was 12-11, Kiwis. And from 2000-2008 it was 11-7. Under Deans, it's 10-2.

Of course, that record doesn't take into account the quality of the team that Deans inherited or that most of those 2000s wins occurred right at the start of the decade. But yeah, based on recent history I'd say Deans has under-performed against the ABs. That's not a reason, necessarily, not to reappoint him but I'm firmly in the wait-til-after-the-Cup camp because I don't see how he can stay if the Wallabies bomb badly.