CruSadists v Reds 27/05/22 at A.R.S.E.

[liquor box]

^ yeah, I'd be heading to Queenstown or if that's too cold for their liking Hanmer Springs.

I'd like to think they would be going to skills training sessions, there has to be a local club/school coaching team that can teach them something before next week

 

[Dismal Pillock]

I'd like to think they would be going to skills training sessions, there has to be a local club/school coaching team that can teach them something before next week

 

[A mutterer]

Excruciating. They'll be tearful despondent wrecks by next weekend.

"What will we do today?
"Well, we could go and look at that avon creek again....."
"I dunno. Maybe we could spice things up and maybe try looking at a hill?"
"How about one of their shipping container bars from the earthqu
"The creek it is. Brace yourselves for the excitement of it all, lads."

you forgot about looking at the fog and trying to look at the creek

 

[gel]

it's not the training staff.

It's the players.

If they dedicated themselves to doing the extras to be able to execute the basic skills, then the game plan would be working.

Thorn and training crew got the Reds to beat every Australian side comprehensively by executing a basic kiwi style. Using that same style with substandard basic skills just makes us a really poor kiwi side

*Edit* The talent is there. The game plan and coaching is there.

The only missing piece is the will.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

I'd like to think they would be going to skills training sessions, there has to be a local club/school coaching team that can teach them something before next week

Quite right. They should stay in CheeChee & practice some skills. Punting, perhaps

 

[liquor box]

it's not the training staff.

It's the players.

If they dedicated themselves to doing the extras to be able to execute the basic skills, then the game plan would be working.

Thorn and training crew got the Reds to beat every Australian side comprehensively by executing a basic kiwi style. Using that same style with substandard basic skills just makes us a really poor kiwi side

*Edit* The talent is there. The game plan and coaching is there.

The only missing piece is the will.

Totally agree, I hate to bring League into this but I recall hearing Andrew Johns talk about how he got so good.

He talked about how he would try to work out what his opponents did and then do more. If other goal kickers kicked 50 practice shots after training, he would do 60, if they ran 10 laps of the oval to get fit, he would run 11. He wanted the confidence that he was better prepared than all of his opponents and if he was feeling tired, then they must be worse than him because he had done more preparation.

I have no idea if what he said was reality or just a motivational speech to young kids but it seems like a reasonable way to become great.

 

[dru]

I would think that any S&C specialist would suggest there is a considerable deal more than doing an extra lap, for brilliant fitness. I would have thought the same on kicking accuracy, it's not just the number of practice shots but what you do in the process.

Whether we are talking skills, kicking, fitness, strength, rugby nous, tactics, game play - there is only one consistent theme. Coaching.

 

[LeCheese]

I would think that any S&C specialist would suggest there is a considerable deal more than doing an extra lap, for brilliant fitness. I would have thought the same on kicking accuracy, it's not just the number of practice shots but what you do in the process.

Whether we are talking skills, kicking, fitness, strength, rugby nous, tactics, game play - there is only one consistent theme. Coaching.

Absolutely - just ‘doing more’ and putting in extras is an oversimplification of the very complex topic of human performance.

 

[liquor box]

I would think that any S&C specialist would suggest there is a considerable deal more than doing an extra lap, for brilliant fitness. I would have thought the same on kicking accuracy, it's not just the number of practice shots but what you do in the process.

Whether we are talking skills, kicking, fitness, strength, rugby nous, tactics, game play - there is only one consistent theme. Coaching.

I doubt the extra lap would have a physical difference, but knowing you have worked harder than your opponent may have a sports psychology benefit.

 

[mst]

Man the reds were poor. I can't remember a single instance of dominant contact in defense. This compressed defense with no one past the tram tracks hurt them.

Tates delivery from the deck was often high. Thought Creighton did ok with the hand he qas dealt.

You can't point to injuries for the lack of dominance in contact or what seemed at times like being sucked into aimless kicking.

The aimless kicking leads back to that game plan issue that was being used as the reason for the poor performances a few weeks ago. It appears based on the comments in this thread we have moved on from that theory to now saying its a players issue; even though the performance is similar.

IMHO its a combination of both and we started to see this at the back end of last season. One key element that's seems to really hamper the Reds performances is when they don't have set piece dominance they cant seem to find a platform to work off. The set piece also allows a break (breather) and reset, then use a process that's scripted and trained.

 

[gel]

I would think that any S&C specialist would suggest there is a considerable deal more than doing an extra lap, for brilliant fitness. I would have thought the same on kicking accuracy, it's not just the number of practice shots but what you do in the process.

Whether we are talking skills, kicking, fitness, strength, rugby nous, tactics, game play - there is only one consistent theme. Coaching.

Disagree.

The players themselves are also a consistent theme.

They can choose to do no more than their lawyer given rights forces them to do under their RUPA CBA (which was comically short a couple of years ago) , or they can choose to do the extras and work on their basic skills (and that absolutely means working on the accuracy of those skills).

That has absolutely zero to do with coaching in any way, shape or form. It's 100% the fault of the players.

Can't execute a game plan built around 3rd or 4th phase positions if there is little chance of retaining the ball on the 1st or 2nd tackle.

Go ask Wayne Bennet how often he trains players how to pass in his first grade NRL teams... The answer is never - he repeatedly talks about that in his coaching clinics to the high school elite players - he expects they can pass accurately so he can spend his time coaching them the advanced stuff like game plans etc.

No musician walks into band practice and wastes everyone else's time while they do scales. The scales are done beforehand in prep for the practice.

These players are not doing anything like what they should be doing for their own professional development and it shows.

 

[gel]

Absolutely - just ‘doing more’ and putting in extras is an oversimplification of the very complex topic of human performance.

I personally didn't think that needed to be said tbh. I certainly didn't think that he was saying that 31 laps walking around while smashing down cheeseburgers was better than 30 laps at high intensity and with attention to proper technique.

Plenty of people spend more money on their own professional development throughout their careers than their employers spend on them. Most understand that it needs to be quality, and well executed and with effort on their own part to get the results from that training.

They also gain the rewards by higher remuneration, and career advancement whilst employer gains from the increased productivity.

It's the reason that the quality training courses cost so much - they return more value than what they cost.

 

[gel]

Not rugby related, but shows what doing extras and concentration on technique and execution can do.... It's the basis of his whole channel.

The dude got invited to play a solo at a tool concert. Watch what he does before hand... He picks the hardest parts to go over as a warm up to help with his confidence before hand.

He doesn't just walk on stage and throw down his inner thoughts onto the fret board as if it's Saturday night at the Victory.

 

[Derpus]

The worst part of that tip tackle on Jordie is that it looks like he grabbed him by the balls.

Wouldn't have blamed him if he came up swinging.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ judiciary have gotta upgrade it to an off-field Red & suspend him accordingly. Mid-range offence so 10-week entry point less 50% less a week if he plays nice at the hearing, four weeks all up.

 

[Derpus]

^ judiciary have gotta upgrade it to an off-field Red & suspend him accordingly. Mid-range offence so 10-week entry point less 50% less a week if he plays nice at the hearing, four weeks all up.

See how it plays out. Judiciary seem to want to go the other way generally.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ yeah, you're probably right, unfortunately.

 

[LeCheese]

I personally didn't think that needed to be said tbh. I certainly didn't think that he was saying that 31 laps walking around while smashing down cheeseburgers was better than 30 laps at high intensity and with attention to proper technique.

Plenty of people spend more money on their own professional development throughout their careers than their employers spend on them. Most understand that it needs to be quality, and well executed and with effort on their own part to get the results from that training.

They also gain the rewards by higher remuneration, and career advancement whilst employer gains from the increased productivity.

It's the reason that the quality training courses cost so much - they return more value than what they cost.

Sure, but my point was more that more training does not necessarily equal better performance; of course it can help, particularly for the basics as you mentioned, but there are more factors at play than just how well you can complete training drills. Human performance is variable (both between and within individuals), and human error is unavoidable.

Do you have actual insight into how much work the players are putting in? I think it's a bit much to pointing the finger based on assumptions that they mustn't be training hard or often enough because they're making errors in the heat of battle.

 

[Wilson]

^ judiciary have gotta upgrade it to an off-field Red & suspend him accordingly. Mid-range offence so 10-week entry point less 50% less a week if he plays nice at the hearing, four weeks all up.

What is Matera's judiciary record? I feel like he's probably earned a banned before but I can't remember anything specific. If he has than he won't be able to see it downgraded to the same degree as if he hasn't.

 

[waiopehu oldboy]

^ second Yellow this year so I think that's at least a review by judiciary who may or may not bring a charge against him. Unsure wrt previous years.