LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
You bring in variations that reduce the risk.
Concussions and Protecting Our Players
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The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
Wish I could remember the name of the Podcast I listened to about Concussions and how different people have a varying rate of concussion and likelihood of its occurrence. Also spoke about people's ability to recover can be completely different and the best way to explain it was to say it is like an allergic reaction.
Could be an interesting avenue for the future if they can identify people who should avoid certain activities like contact sport.
I find it interesting that so many sports like both Rugby codes and even Cricket have become so cautious but sports like MMA and other Martial Arts are growing in popularity really quickly around the world. .
Could be an interesting avenue for the future if they can identify people who should avoid certain activities like contact sport.
I find it interesting that so many sports like both Rugby codes and even Cricket have become so cautious but sports like MMA and other Martial Arts are growing in popularity really quickly around the world. .
Drew
Bob Davidson (42)
The stats above agree. I guess scrums were easier to tinker with to make safer. And it’s probable that more head knocks will eventuate from low tackles if the tackle height is lowered. But hopefully the numbers improve with the change.
I think the problem with comparing concussions to broken necks is a broken neck is instant, the effects of concussions aren’t.
Two seasons is only a small sample, but this would suggest you’re correct. Makes sense considering tackles are more frequent than scrums too.
Incidence, severity, aetiology and type of neck injury in men's amateur rugby union: a prospective cohort study - PMC
There is a paucity of epidemiological data on neck injury in amateur rugby union populations. The objective of this study was to determine the incidence, severity, aetiology and type of neck injury in Australian men's amateur rugby union. Data was ...www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Isn't it saying the opposite?
There might be more minor neck injuries from tackles but the number of severe injuries is the same and there are more moderate neck injuries from scrums than tackles. I note that this is a tiny study and didn't feature any catastrophic spinal injuries (thankfully).
Given that there must be about 10 times the number of tackles per match than scrums that shows the risk of scrums to be much higher.
This is also in an era where scrums have been made a lot safer than they were in the past.
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
The ABC guy being interviewed seemed to have a firm view on the impacts being very large and affecting many more than currently reported. I found if a bit depressing when a sport I have enjoyed playing and being involved with will be impacted by these reports as mothers put their foot down about boys NOT playing rugby.
It seems inevitable that more and more variations are going to affect the numbers playing this game. This one has far more potential than the scrum issues or any other issue rugby has faced. We are already struggling to get young guys to play the game at subbies level.
stillmissit
Peter Johnson (47)
BH, you may be right but we see just as many scrum collapses and the front row forced up as before and that held true in subbies when I was involved about 4 years ago. Yet the number of injuries has gone down by all reports.
I can't tell you the mechanics of why there are less injuries but I think it is largely about getting rid of the hit and slowing down the engagement.
Ignoto
Peter Sullivan (51)
Solved pretty easy by ensuring the defenders head is higher than their are and don't allow them to seal the tackled player.
That then gives the attacking team somewhere to safely to aim for in a clean out rather than a head.
LeCheese
Greg Davis (50)
Yeah it's a matter of relative risk vs cumulative risk - and as you said, the study's probably too small to draw any solid conclusions at that level. It's interesting to see the emerging trends nonetheless.
This is essentially why we're seeing the change in the tackle height rules.
We're trying to eliminate the riskiest incidents in the sport.
Does that get rid of the jackal anyway?
It's very difficult to maintain a solid position where you are well balanced and can withstand a hit while keeping your hips above your shoulders but also be able to reach the ball on the ground.
Almost every jackal position involves the shoulders being lower than the hips.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
Just gotta be reeeeeeally flexible.
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
The main asset of every Subbies Rugby player
Tomthumb
Chilla Wilson (44)
Totally disagree. There were far less collapsed scrums back when front rows engaged themselves. Refs calling them in has caused nothing but issues
Except the incidence of catastrophic spinal injuries from scrums have all but disappeared.
D-Box
Cyril Towers (30)
It was the period when refs started calling and you had the hit and chase that the issues were large. The new engament has reduced the hit and collapse which is where many issues were.
You also don't see that many scrums go down in amateur rugby where it is mostly a restart method. Pros are trying to bring it down.
Brumby Runner
Jason Little (69)
How can you say that Derp? Clearly, the safest places to be on a rugby field are in the lineout or maul, neither of which show up in League.
Just ban the ruck, scrum and tackle and she'll be apples.
Tex
Greg Davis (50)
I don't have kids but if I did they'd be steered to touch rugby or ballroom dancing before 15s or 7s rugby. Hurts a bit to say it as I bled for the game growing up, but the cumulative risk of a permanent disability is not outweighed by the important benefits of the sport, namely fitness.
The social side of contributing to a club or team is trickier to replace, as it's still one of the unspoiled gems of rugby. Not sure you get that network of diverse individuals and families in a ballroom dancing studio...
The social side of contributing to a club or team is trickier to replace, as it's still one of the unspoiled gems of rugby. Not sure you get that network of diverse individuals and families in a ballroom dancing studio...
The Ghost of Raelene
Simon Poidevin (60)
Whilst I'm not sure about the Ballroom Dancing part I do think Rugby will shrink over time due to the inherent risks and the growth of sports like Basketball.
I can definitely see a time not that far off where traditional Rugby Schools will only field 1/2 teams per age and potentially only a 1st, 2nd XV, 3rd XV at most. The growth of sports like Basketball aren't going to slow down and don't scare some parents. A number of Subbies clubs are already struggling and most players don't keep playing much after 24/25 with the social aspect not enough to draw them down.
I can definitely see a time not that far off where traditional Rugby Schools will only field 1/2 teams per age and potentially only a 1st, 2nd XV, 3rd XV at most. The growth of sports like Basketball aren't going to slow down and don't scare some parents. A number of Subbies clubs are already struggling and most players don't keep playing much after 24/25 with the social aspect not enough to draw them down.
Derpus
Nathan Sharpe (72)
This post made me physically ill.