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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think Alec Evans actually has that accolade covered and earns bonus points for not, so far as I have heard, polarising people with quite the skill of Foley.
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Tony Shaw (54)
Have a look at what Gillespie did at Yorkshire and C McDermott did for our quicks in his multiple periods as bowling coach for the national team.
Hockey - a global game - is kind of semi-pro but as I recall we have built some exceptional coaches there.
Netball is genuinely international, not massively so, but we have had great success there team-wise and I'm told our top netball coaches are considered, overall, the best in the world.
You would have to include Walsh and Bowen for the fantastic work - much of it innovative in recruitment terms - they have done in womens rugby 7s, a global pro sport on the rise.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
Cricket has its own issues too at the moment.
The common denominator apart from cricket is women's sports - and in hockey the men have been nowhere near as well performed as the chicks.
The common denominator apart from cricket is women's sports - and in hockey the men have been nowhere near as well performed as the chicks.
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Tony Shaw (54)
Ummm yes, perhaps, but we were talking here of persons who might be candidates to assistant coach the Wallabies full-time and I somehow doubt even the great man himself would volunteer for that role today.
Though he was huge for Link in getting the Reds forwards in shape S&C and playing wise in 2010 when Link took over the Reds. Link himself told me how much AE had contributed to the later Reds success in 2011.
One of our greats, no question.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
I think you only get one go at the top job here and if you fail you are forever tainted.
Do the Wobblies have a dedicated forward coach? I can't remember.
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Tony Shaw (54)
No. As I mentioned in my post above re Cheika's key failing in picking a too-weak, too-thin cadre of Wallaby Assistant Coaches.
I think Chek considers himself a good-enough specialist forwards coach at international level and, to me, results in and from our forwards point to the fact that he isn't.
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Nathan Sharpe (72)
IIRC he doesn't think set piece matters.
Lodesmo?
But you're talking forwards generally not scrums.?
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Tony Shaw (54)
Forwards generally, bar scrums.
As the Kiwis are pioneering, or at least leading, forwards at the top level in unstructured play have to develop many of the core skills of backs to enable an even more effective, fast-paced, offloads-heavy, low-error-rate ensemble form of that mode of play.
As M Byrne has firmly noted, Aus elite terms seem principally indoctrinated into multiple forms of structured play and are far less able, skills and composure wise, in unstructured play. This applies as much to forwards as backs.
One of the many reasons coaching innovation is needed in the latest versions of the modern game, at the highest levels.
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John Thornett (49)
Guess it depends how you read his statement:
"I've got no interest helping other teams try to beat the All Blacks. I've told Steve Tew and Steve Hansen that. I will do some stuff in rugby but it won't be with tier-one teams competing against the All Blacks."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-to-finish-after-20-years-with-the-all-blacks
"I've got no interest helping other teams try to beat the All Blacks. I've told Steve Tew and Steve Hansen that. I will do some stuff in rugby but it won't be with tier-one teams competing against the All Blacks."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/...-to-finish-after-20-years-with-the-all-blacks
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Simon Poidevin (60)
If you're looking to get paid while you make the journey
Get an education degree, get a job at a private school, give up your evenings and weekends for a while and work your way up to successful first XV coach, rest is networking your way up through your state unions ranks.
If you don't want to get paid, volunteer at your local subbies club, get to a prem club lower grade. Work way up from there.
Pro short cut - be an ex-international player
There are clearly less professional coaching opportunities here because we don't have a lot of professional teams.
I don't think it is an unusual situation that you can't really get paid to coach until you reach a decent level of ability and experience.
The only reason the private school coach is getting paid (outside of 1st XV where they're probably hiring additional coaches as well) is because they're a full time teacher.
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Trevor Allan (34)
Pfft, if i didn't get paid to be a lawyer until i had a decent level of skill and experience i wouldn't have been paid for 5 years. Is it a professional industry or not?
Clearly rugby coaching is not a professional job at most levels.
Just like being a rugby player is not a professional job at most levels.
RedsHappy
Tony Shaw (54)
A pity - he's one of the greatest-ever pro rugby coaches - hugely rated always by players, AB HCs plus many more.
A fantastic, all-of-system, taken-highly-seriously coaching structure and coach development process and, closely related, core skills development process, are the real secrets to NZ's rugby success vs all the superficial commentary and explanations re 'genius rugby athletes', 'rugby's a religion there' etc.
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