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Coaching Options for Qld Rugby

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TheBigDog

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Nev Cottrell (35)
Graham stepping into a lesser role would be a structural nightmare for all involved. Think about your workplace, would the CEO voluntarily step down to middle management and work under someone who is essentially being told to fix his mistakes? I would think in most cases it simply would not work.

RG needs to either be totally removed (my preference) or kept in his current role.
 
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Train Without a Station

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Yet in most cases AFL Head Coaches have been able to move to assistant coaches after being terminated with great success. Many have enjoyed the lower pressure in the role.

The difference is in AFL there is 17 other teams. If you are based in Melbourne there's 8 others so you can canvas for Head Coaching options then settle if need be without relocating.

In Graham's case it would essentially be swallowing pride (which he will have to do no matter where he goes as he won't get another HC role at a similar level) in order to remain in his home city if he wants to be in that location. Surely the fact it's an organisation he has a strong affinity to is something that would only make it easier to swallow his pride for the good of the Reds.

Sure maybe he has too much of an ego, too much pride or would just be a shithouse assistant.
 
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Phil Hardcastle (33)
I suppose were it works is if the person (e.g. Graham) stops beings a strategy/tactics man and starts being a procedural person. Like real work some people are great helicopter pilots and make terrible grunts and vice versa. Brad Thorn may be a gun S&C coach and even technical specialist doesn't mean he would transition to developing game plans player selection etc.

EDIT - Not saying that it will work in this case.....
 
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Exactly. Evidence we have probably suggests Graham may not be a good assistant either. But surely at some point in his career he must have done something good to get pushed up to a Head Coach role.
 
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Ken Catchpole (46)
EVERY player at the reds would also have to forget and forgive everything that has gone on under his reign of error - and that is probably not going to happen any time soon.

That's the real problem with managers who are demoted in the same organisation.
 
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Tony Shaw (54)
Hugh Jarse said:
Always good to form a committee. Results are guaranteed when this happens.
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Simon Poidevin (60)
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You leave the destiny of my beloved Waggatahs alone, Big Bum. Tell him to go to Newcastle or Orange Waratahs.
 
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George Smith (75)
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@Reds_Rugby: QRU today announced further developments in its ongoing review into the Reds high-performance structure. More: http://t.co/TZG1DwakHg
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Richard Graham is reportedly not worried:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/rug...ot-worried-by-qru-review-20150528-ghbyhb.html

He should be (& privately probably is). Unless he's gonna swallow his pride & become de facto an assistant to Connolly. I previously thought (& posted) he might be saved by the shortage of suitable & available replacements in a RWC year but Connolly's appointment now gives QRU a Plan B. I hope they take it.
 
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Ken Catchpole (46)
From that article, Richard Graham said:

"........ ensure that we remain strong going forward."

Remain strong? Remain? Remain?

I do not think that word means what he thinks it means.
 
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John Thornett (49)
TheBigDog said:
Graham stepping into a lesser role would be a structural nightmare for all involved. Think about your workplace, would the CEO voluntarily step down to middle management and work under someone who is essentially being told to fix his mistakes? I would think in most cases it simply would not work.

RG needs to either be totally removed (my preference) or kept in his current role.
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It's not like this doesn't happen in different corporate environments fairly regularly.

The biggest concern on my end would be that RG has lost the playing group to the point where they just don't want him around at all, so keeping him on in any capacity could compromise the changing room atmosphere.

That said, I'm a bit ambivalent about the idea of RG becoming backs/skills coach because it's seemingly the only role in which he's found real success at any level of rugby. Interestingly enough, Bath's open and flowing attacking style first blossomed with him in that role - under Knuckles as the HC. There's also this: http://www.greenandgoldrugby.com/the-statistical-case-for-a-wallabies-attack-coach/

I will admit I'm less familiar with the work he did at Saracens or how it impacted their play. Obviously he wasn't a success at the Force, but he was in that assistant role for what - maybe a handful of months?
 
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Mark Ella (57)
I think mRG has been a shit coach with shit results over a reasonable period.

The players don't like the bloke. they don't respect him either (more importantly).

To leave him in any capacity is just plain silly.
 
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gel said:
I fail to see how hiring more of their mates is going to make things better.
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That's a pretty naive comment.

How many rugby experienced people that are available in Australia would not have a close relationship with the guys like Tony Shaw, Andrew Slack (Who has been surprisingly a vocal critic on Graham's results from the few Sunday Mail articles I actually have read), Damien Frawley, Bill Ross, Mark Conners and Rod McCall?

It's doubtful anybody with the experience and credentials would not have had years playing alongside these guys at Wallaby level. Anybody suitable who had not, would be based overseas and unlikely to take such an appointment.
 
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Simon Poidevin (60)
Train Without a Station said:
That's a pretty naive comment.

How many rugby experienced people that are available in Australia would not have a close relationship with the guys like Tony Shaw, Andrew Slack (Who has been surprisingly a vocal critic on Graham's results from the few Sunday Mail articles I actually have read), Damien Frawley, Bill Ross, Mark Conners and Rod McCall?

It's doubtful anybody with the experience and credentials would not have had years playing alongside these guys at Wallaby level. Anybody suitable who had not, would be based overseas and unlikely to take such an appointment.
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The obvious question - do we need someone with rugby experience doing the review?

Carmichael has done wonders financially at the reds, howard been great at Cricket Australia.

Maybe it should actually be independent.....
 
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Howard has been heavily criticized in his roles at times at Cricket Australia.

Carmichael has done an excellent job because he is able to stick to the commercial and financial matters without any real need to have any regard for the old guard.

But surely in a performance review, somebody with a rugby background would be beneficial. If this was a review of head office operations, I'd agree that somebody with no rugby background would be better.
 
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