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Chiefs V Waratahs, Hamilton

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waratahjesus

Greg Davis (50)
surely the most complete display by any australian team in super rugby history.
i only hope now the red flame has flickered and the others fall by the wayside the whole of australia can unite behind the common good that is the NSW Waratahs, if there is a god, his name is Chris Hickey, im not sure he created man, but he sure did pick the finest 22 of them ive ever seen.
 

Nusadan

Chilla Wilson (44)
waratahjesus said:
surely the most complete display by any australian team in super rugby history.
i only hope now the red flame has flickered and the others fall by the wayside the whole of australia can unite behind the common good that is the NSW Waratahs, if there is a god, his name is Chris Hickey, im not sure he created man, but he sure did pick the finest 22 of them ive ever seen.

Been on the turps, eh?

Wait till the cold light of the morning (or even next afternoon) if you would still say the above.... :frans
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
Nusadan said:
waratahjesus said:
surely the most complete display by any australian team in super rugby history.
i only hope now the red flame has flickered and the others fall by the wayside the whole of australia can unite behind the common good that is the NSW Waratahs, if there is a god, his name is Chris Hickey, im not sure he created man, but he sure did pick the finest 22 of them ive ever seen.

Been on the turps, eh?

Wait till the cold light of the morning (or even next afternoon) if you would still say the above.... :frans

A bit of hyperbole is legitimate after tonight's display.

Although they are a mid table team, the Chiefs were not bad tonight. They came back well towards the end, but were completely outplayed by the Tahs. Possession and position looked like 80/20 at half time and the game was over. Some of the most woeful passing you'd ever want to see, especially early on, but the pick-up and recovery was excellent. It was not a perfect display, but if we had brought that game out every week then the home final would have been at the SFS. The best description of it in a word was blitzkrieg - the attack just came in wave after wave, rarely at the same point twice. As soon as the Chiefs stopped it, it started again elsewhere.

The pack responded to last week with a display of ferocity and power in which no one played badly and several booked Wallaby spots. Mowen can't be ignored any longer, Baxter had a wonderful game as did Waugh, Douglas and Mumm. There's still room for improvement in the scrum and lineout, if it ever all clicks someone will be embarrassed big time. I'm coming next week just to see if the pigs can do it twice in a row.

Burgess was very poor at the start and steadily improved through the night. He plays best when he's confident and assured, and I think he needs to be picked and allowed to settle now for as long as we are in it. There is a lot of upside to his game tonight, but he generally cleared the ball fast and the accuracy improved as he got into his work. Maybe too much adrenaline in his system at the start. Barnes was assured at 10, but not everything he did worked. His first instinct is to kick and he quelled that tonight and the results were there for all to see. Carter was dangerous because of those around him - the crash ball was only one point of attack and so when it came it was much harder to handle. Beale, Schmoo and Turner were wonderful tonight; though Beale's defence fell off towards the end his penetration every time he had the ball meant that the backline had three points of attack at 12 - winger inside, Carter up the middle and Beale outside plus Horne. The advantage came because no one could predict the point of attack. The defense of the highball was almost 100% and the beginning of another attacking wave, not just a stopping of their attack.

The use of the bench was poor, as it has been all year. Fitzpatrick should have been on the moment we got the bonus point, he played well and TPN obviously played injured despite his game 10/10. If he's aggravated the injury I will be pissed off big time. Tilse's first scrum against a poor scrummaging team was disappointing, the scrum depowering probably saved his bacon. Palmer must be back next week, we want to win the comp this year even if we give the Brumbies a leg up for next year. Anese was only tradesman-like and Thompson did not impress me. Bring back Caldwell!

From the depths of despair last week to the heights of ecstasy tonight. We are back on track. :yay
 

TheRiddler

Dave Cowper (27)
I must have watched a different game (albeit one through well lubricated eyes). Whilst the Tahs did well to win the game comfortably, for me it still wasnt a totally convincing performance and was more due to the Chiefs playing a complete game of shite and missing their big name players.
 

Langthorne

Phil Hardcastle (33)
That was fucken awesome!!!!! Keep playing like that and the Tahs could beat anyone. It wasn't perfect (and the Chiefs were average at best) but the general attitude was spot on. Hickey made the big calls on team selection and has been totally vindicated (as regards the starting 15 anyway).

Robinson was huge in the scrums. He got the Tahs on top of the Chiefs pack from the off. When Tilse (I thought NTA was being harsh about him - if anything, having seen what Tilse can do, I'd say he was being generous in his criticism) came on the difference was stark. I have to agree with Hawko that Palmer has to be on the bench for the rest of the season. We need the best 22 in the squad (what he does next year is irrelevant - he is a Tahs player now, and will play to win - as he has done every time he has been on).

TPN was awesome as ever. I can't believe Hickey would risk him when he was clearly knackered, and clutching his shoulder, AND THE MATCH WAS PRETTY MUCH ALREADY WON. When he came on Fitzpatrick did a good job.

Douglas does run a bit high, but he did a lot of great work all over the park, and had so much energy and aggression too. it makes me so happy to have him playing so well at such a young age. Mumm was very solid, without being too flashy too (some great runs and jumping though).

McCutcheon had a great debut start. Again energy and aggression great.

Waugh was huge again, and even put on some good passes and made some good runs. Yes he is bulky, but he gets around the park (and when he isn't there McCutcheon is excellent cover).

Mowen was excellent (as always) in the lineout, and his running wide of the ruck was very effective (but not so much in heavy traffic).

The quality and quantity of ball the forwards provided meant the backs could strut their stuff - and they did.

I agree that Beale is pushing for Wallaby selection. His vision and timing were amazing, and his defence was solid up until late in the match when all the Tahs were pretty tired, and had it wrapped up. He broke tackles all over the place, and followed it up with some magic plays.

Barnes did well at 10 and as Hawko pointed out, curtailed the urge to kick when other options were available. Carter did a lot of the tough work at 12, but also showed some nice handling. Horne was a ball of fury, which meant he was often effective both in attack and defence, but also a little bit erratic.

Mitchell and Turner was brilliant in all facets of their play. Their willingness to run and use their pace has been a constant this season, but I was particularly pleased to see Mitchell's stinging defence and Turner's kick off regathering.

I thought both Halangahu and Anesi did OK when they came on. Halangahu is very solid, with great kicking and pretty good running and distribution. Anesi is not a dangerous ball runner, but his committment is not in question - I think of him as the sort of guy who could hold on the match for you, but maybe not win one for you (he certainly is not a marquee player).


The first choice 15 was spot on. Tilse needs a bit more time to get himself sorted before he should be on the bench ahead of Palmer (in reality, probably never). I agree with Hawko on Hickey's use of the bench (and I would add also his use of the squad) - not at all good. Although there were some great performances all round, there is still room for improvement, especially things like the erratic passing and general ball security (not every team is as obliging as the Chiefs were).

Same sort of result next week and I for one will be happy.
 

Jethro Tah

Bob Loudon (25)
Great win Tahs!! One of their better games this season. 3 more like that would be nice.

For next week, if the Tahs play at that level and the Canes play like they did against the Reds, who will win? Tahs in Sydney might just do it but I'm nervous.
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
The Tahs still have a shit load of improving to do, the backs still lack fluency and structure from set piece.

What I did like was the effort to support the ball carrier, ball runners from phase had units on their hip regularly, something that had been lacking.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Hawko said:
The best description of it in a word was blitzkrieg - the attack just came in wave after wave, rarely at the same point twice.

That's not Blitzkrieg. That's a war of attrition.
 

Hawko

Tony Shaw (54)
DPK said:
Hawko said:
The best description of it in a word was blitzkrieg - the attack just came in wave after wave, rarely at the same point twice.

That's not Blitzkrieg. That's a war of attrition.

A war of attrition is kicking to the corners and trying to win a turnover or letting them have the ball and just defending all day.
 

topo

Cyril Towers (30)
re Palmer v Tilse. I think it is more than punishing Palmer for going to the Brums. I think it is a genuine selection based on Tilse's work around the paddock. Palmer is clearly the better scrummager and is the best young prop in the country when it comes to scrum time, but he offers little else and can be a defensive liability. Tilse struggles at scrum time, although I think he goes better at LH than TH, but is big and aggressive and a great defender. In the modern game, can you afford a prop who does nothing else but scrummage (the Declan Curran model of front row play)? I suspect that is why the tahs let Palmer go without putting up much of a fight.
I think I can hear FP going off already!
 

fatprop

George Gregan (70)
Staff member
topo said:
re Palmer v Tilse. I think it is more than punishing Palmer for going to the Brums. I think it is a genuine selection based on Tilse's work around the paddock. Palmer is clearly the better scrummager and is the best young prop in the country when it comes to scrum time, but he offers little else and can be a defensive liability. Tilse struggles at scrum time, although I think he goes better at LH than TH, but is big and aggressive and a great defender. In the modern game, can you afford a prop who does nothing else but scrummage (the Declan Curran model of front row play)? I suspect that is why the tahs let Palmer go without putting up much of a fight.
I think I can hear FP going off already!

:nta: I tend to agree topo, last week Palmer went two wide on the blind a lot for a rest instead of staying in close to the ruck and doing his job. Palmer is a wonderful scrummager but even against Randwick yesterday he tore Randwick a new one at scrum time and then just waddled around the ground doing little else.

At the moment his workrate reminds me of Dave Fitter - unfortunately

Lets face it even Baxter is doing more in the open this year after learning/watching what Alexander can do from THP.
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Hawko said:
DPK said:
Hawko said:
The best description of it in a word was blitzkrieg - the attack just came in wave after wave, rarely at the same point twice.

That's not Blitzkrieg. That's a war of attrition.

A war of attrition is kicking to the corners and trying to win a turnover or letting them have the ball and just defending all day.

Nah a war of attrition in a rugby context would be keeping the ball in hand and going phase after phase, trying to wear down the opposition, like the Tahs did last night (Didn't the string together 22 phases early in the first half IIRC?).

Blitzkrieg is the SA gameplan in the Tri Nations last year. Going from the original German type Blitzkrieg:

1) Luftwaffe Assault to obliterate predetermined targets (High Bombs onto the back three)

2) Mobile Assault by Panzers (Chasers isolate opposition players)

3) Wehrmacht + Airbourne troops complete attack (Support players arrive and steal possesion)
 

naza

Alan Cameron (40)
Langthorne said:
TCarter did a lot of the tough work at 12, but also showed some nice handling. Horne was a ball of fury, which meant he was often effective both in attack and defence, but also a little bit erratic.

Everyone went well except the centres. Tom Carter was far too lateral. And Horne turned over too much pill. They need to lift their game against the Canes.
 

Moses

Simon Poidevin (60)
Staff member
waratahjesus said:
if there is a god, his name is Chris Hickey, im not sure he created man, but he sure did pick the finest 22 of them ive ever seen.
Well, the finest 21 of them and Soseni
 

DPK

Peter Sullivan (51)
Moses said:
waratahjesus said:
if there is a god, his name is Chris Hickey, im not sure he created man, but he sure did pick the finest 22 of them ive ever seen.
Well, the finest 21 of them and Soseni

In his Godliness, he provided a loser for contrast.
 

Pfitzy

Nathan Sharpe (72)
I'd rather have my first phase ball than have it taken off me. Palmer over Tilse please. You can get fitness and work ethic going a lot easier than you can perfect scrum technique and body shape.

What he REALLY needs is a haircut.
 

#1 Tah

Chilla Wilson (44)
Just got back from NZ, All the boys are really happy except for Benn Robinson
WHO HAS DONE HIS ARM AND IS IN DOUBT FOR THE WALLABIES ACCORDING TO HIM
 

Biffo

Ken Catchpole (46)
#1 Tah said:
Just got back from NZ

I thought Beale looked very much like a Wallaby fullback, but it's difficult to assess positional play on TV. What were your thoughts on Beale's positioning?
 
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