Cheerio Deans

[Inside Shoulder]

throw A Jones in with that mob too

and Greg Smith and former Scotland coach Matt Williams

 

[vidiot]

You would have pulled the short straw to have Deans as your teacher.

Oh, wait.

 

[Garry Owen]

his departure is 3 years overdue, imo.

Print up the t-shirts now and I'll put my hard earned down.

Suggestions

Dingo,....Ding-gooooone.

or

A Dingo stole my rugby.

 

[lewisr]

I personally think it is pathetic that supposedly "high ranking" ARU power brokers and certain board members have expressed a clear provincial bias against McKenzie through claims like "he's a forward so he can't coach backs", "take your reds hat off" and "he wont be coach as long as my arse is pointing down".

I honestly cannot believe that these men are allowed to even have a say in some of the most defining decisions in Aussie rugby history. It is quite clear that they have no fucking predisposition to do what is best for one of the nations powerhouse sporting codes but rather put petty state rivalries ahead of the betterment of rugby union.

If they were at least offering legitimate arguments about why White would be the frontrunner (and there are many, don't get me wrong) I wouldn't have a problem. But so far the only people I have seen presenting these are those on this forum and in the media. At this stage, if White gets the job, I think McKenzie has the right to feel somewhat miffed at the fact that these idiots in the ARU (who by the way, refused to move rugby headquarters from the fricking useless coffs harbour to the home of rugby at Ballymore) simply passed him up because he was part of the QRUs massive financial and sporting success.

 

[Dam0]

A lot of them were school masters, Henry, Hanson White.

Henry was, I'm not sure about White (I'll take your word for it) but Hansen wasn't. He was a cop.

 

[Braveheart81]

I think it will be a challenging time for whoever takes over the team.

I figure the next coach will be given the reins until after the 2015 RWC. If they don't come close to winning the thing, they'll probably go.

I can't see the ARU having someone coaching the team for anywhere close to 6 years again unless they build a dynasty.

Obviously whoever takes over the job will have lots of their own ideas regarding players they want to use but it could be difficult for either of them to make many changes before the Rugby Championship, particularly if their franchise plays for many weeks in the Super Rugby finals.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

If they were at least offering legitimate arguments about why White would be the frontrunner (and there are many, don't get me wrong)

I am led to believe that there may be legitimate reasons (or what I consider to be legitimate reasons) for preferring White.
Those reasons centre on the absence of discipline in a few players and the perception that Link may not have done all he could to keep those who are his undisciplined players in line in relation to their relationship with the Wallabies.
It may have suited Link's purposes at the time and, perhaps, suggests a loyalty to his players that is to be commended but it may now count against him.

 

[BPC]

I am a believer in democracy, but looking at the way the last appointment was handled, the dribbles of nonsense leaked by members of the ARU to the press to shore up their agenda (eg Link can't coach backs) and the expected cronyism and policticking that is sure to come, I feel a real warmth towards the Egyptian military.

Perhaps we could all chip in to have a few Egyptian generals flown out for a few weeks to sort out the ARU decision-making process.

 

[lewisr]

Inside Shoulder Didn't say there weren't, in fact I said there were many. I just feel as though the only things we've heard are purely political and show that the ARU aren't looking at this in the light of what is best for the team...

In my view, Link doesn't take sh*t either. It's one of the reasons Quade thrives at the Reds, because he is given boundaries. He was an absolute foll prior to 2010 with his mullet hair cut and self obsessed attitude, by 2010 we'd already seen a massive turn around (but clearly not enough from the events of last year) and now, I suspect after some work with Link and to a lesser extent Nasser, he has shown a lot more maturity than I thought he ever would.

White will do a bloody good job whacking them in to line, don't get me wrong, but I think the disciplinary styles of the two coaches is different and we may see a variation in on field performances depending on these styles. The young, extremely talented, arrogant, self obsessed bloke did extremely well under Ewen so that's why I'd be leaning towards him considering we have JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale. But White clearly knows how to lock down a squad (there have actually been complaints from brumby players about how strict the approach is) and make them perform at their best.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Perhaps we could all chip in to have a few Egyptian generals flown out for a few weeks to sort out the ARU decision-making process.

Cant they act more quickly? if we lose some in the crossfire then so be it.

 

[Boomer]

I personally think it is pathetic that supposedly "high ranking" ARU power brokers and certain board members have expressed a clear provincial bias against McKenzie through claims like "he's a forward so he can't coach backs", "take your reds hat off" and "he wont be coach as long as my arse is pointing down".

I honestly cannot believe that these men are allowed to even have a say in some of the most defining decisions in Aussie rugby history. It is quite clear that they have no fucking predisposition to do what is best for one of the nations powerhouse sporting codes but rather put petty state rivalries ahead of the betterment of rugby union.

If they were at least offering legitimate arguments about why White would be the frontrunner (and there are many, don't get me wrong) I wouldn't have a problem. But so far the only people I have seen presenting these are those on this forum and in the media. At this stage, if White gets the job, I think McKenzie has the right to feel somewhat miffed at the fact that these idiots in the ARU (who by the way, refused to move rugby headquarters from the fricking useless coffs harbour to the home of rugby at Ballymore) simply passed him up because he was part of the QRUs massive financial and sporting success.

A clear provincial bias, says Reds supporter.

The argument for getting Deans was to get the best possible bloke, regardless of affiliation.

This time around the feeling is only an Australian will do.

Isn't that enough for Jake to feel aggrieved about too? I mean it's hardly a "fair go, mate"

QRU's massive financial success - seem to recall a loan just a couple of years back.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Inside Shoulder Didn't say there weren't.

I know you didn't and if I misrepresented your position I apologise. I was clumsily trying to give everyone the heads up as to what I am told is the thinking of a certain senior board member.

 

[I like to watch]

Inside Shoulder Didn't say there weren't, in fact I said there were many. I just feel as though the only things we've heard are purely political and show that the ARU aren't looking at this in the light of what is best for the team.

In my view, Link doesn't take sh*t either. It's one of the reasons Quade thrives at the Reds, because he is given boundaries. He was an absolute foll prior to 2010 with his mullet hair cut and self obsessed attitude, by 2010 we'd already seen a massive turn around (but clearly not enough from the events of last year) and now, I suspect after some work with Link and to a lesser extent Nasser, he has shown a lot more maturity than I thought he ever would.

White will do a bloody good job whacking them in to line, don't get me wrong, but I think the disciplinary styles of the two coaches is different and we may see a variation in on field performances depending on these styles. The young, extremely talented, arrogant, self obsessed bloke did extremely well under Ewen so that's why I'd be leaning towards him considering we have JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale. But White clearly knows how to lock down a squad (there have actually been complaints from brumby players about how strict the approach is) and make them perform at their best.

Really?
I have always thought Link was too indulgent with him.
QC (Quade Cooper)'s behavioral problems only stopped when he was ass whipped by the ARU over the toxic crap.
Link has many strengths,but strong discipline with the petulant members of the squad,is not one of them.
Yet.

 

[Lindommer]

I personally think it is pathetic that supposedly "high ranking" ARU power brokers and certain board members have expressed a clear provincial bias against McKenzie through claims like "he's a forward so he can't coach backs"....." and "he won't be coach as long as my arse is pointing down".

If there's anyone at ARU headquarters with this attitude it's truly worrying. Two points on the forward as a coach choice:

• our RWC-winning coaches, Dwyer and Macqueen, were BOTH breakaways
• if the powers-that-be can't see we need a massive cultural change in our attitude to scrummaging, well they oughta hand in their resignations.

 

[The_Brown_Hornet]

I hope these reports about "what would a forward know about coaching backs" or "we can't put Link because he's a QLD'er" noises coming out of ARU HQ are inaccurate, because if anyone on the board actually thinks that way they should resign their commissions now.

I have long lamented petty provincial biases and power struggles in Australian rugby and hope that those days are behind us. The next Wallaby coach selection is pretty crucial to the medium commercial viability of the code in this country. There are a lot of disgruntled fans in Australia right now (I'm one of them) and a return to daring but successful footy of the last couple of decades is yearned for by nearly all of us I would suspect.

 

[BPC]

For the love of all that's holy, please pull your head in McGrath:

Warren Gatland and former Australian Rugby Union chairman Peter McGrath have rallied around under-siege Wallabies coach Robbie Deans as speculation he will soon be out of a job increases.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/union-news/supporters-try-to-blunt-any-move-to-axe-deans-20130707-2pkev.html#ixzz2YPGe2IXg

 

[BPC]

Cant they act more quickly? if we lose some in the crossfire then so be it.

The coup is always quick or it doesn't work. The mopping up afterwards (literally and figuratively) takes a bit longer.

 

[Scotty]

Really?
I have always thought Link was too indulgent with him.
QC (Quade Cooper)'s behavioral problems only stopped when he was ass whipped by the ARU over the toxic crap.
Link has many strengths,but strong discipline with the petulant members of the squad,is not one of them.
Yet.

When did QC (Quade Cooper) have discipline issues under Link while in Reds mode?

 

[lewisr]

Really?
I have always thought Link was too indulgent with him.
QC (Quade Cooper)'s behavioral problems only stopped when he was ass whipped by the ARU over the toxic crap.
Link has many strengths,but strong discipline with the petulant members of the squad,is not one of them.
Yet.

Fair enough. Like I said, Links approach is different to Whites. I don't think you will successfully beat sense into these guys overnight and turn them into model students within a few weeks at wallabies camp, they have to be ongoing projects that the coach works on improving during the time he has with them. Again, I think that if the approach is to try and discipline them into the ground, they won't be as effective on the footy field and that is why you might see Ewen's approach as indulgent but it is quite clear that there have been significant improvements in Quades behaviour over the years. It was never going to be a quick turnaround but it at least appears that he now understands the professionalism required in the sport.

Unfortunately the same cannot be said for Digby.... but hes the 2 million dollar man! I guess if we are expecting some massive turn around to the days of old where no one ever heard of the run ins our pro sportsmen have at the bar or early morning snacks then we are being unrealistic. The media will pick up on anything. What we need to be looking for is a coach that instills RESPECT into those blokes. Makes them realise how lucky they are to be making such large amounts of money at a young age and playing in the Green and Gold. That is what is missing in JOC (James O'Connor) and Beale in my opinion and both White and Link will produce results in that facet regardless of who is coach.

This is all just my personal view and yes, thank you for pointing out my extremely biased reds view that only Queenslanders could ever agree with Boomer.

No, Jake doesn't have to feel aggrieved because he's only been here for 2 years and for all his success, hasn't won a super rugby title, yet. He has had his chance with his home nation's team and won a Rugby World Cup. It is not as though there is spades of difference between these guys like we were experiencing when we brought Deans in (who at the time was clearly the best option with his Super Rugby Record).I would actually hope, that in this situation, they do have a bias towards the Australian coach because bloody oath, we should be patriotic! The same would occur in NZ and SA.

 

[Rugby Is My Life]

Deans has to go & here's why:

The Wallabies under his watch have a history of losing big games as well as too many Tests we'd expect to win (Scotland x 2 + Samoa). He also has a history of poor selections/judgement:

* Selecting 1 x specialist 7 for RWC 2011
* Dropping Sharpe for Simmons for RWC 2011 Semi-Final vs NZ
* Not selecting a specialist 10 for a 3 Test Lions series
* Making every excuse known to man to not select Cooper yet allowing Beale & O'Connor to do what they please
(http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/rugby-union/mckenzie-can-end-this-cultural-cancer/story-e6frg7o6-1226675636536)

He simply doesn't tolerate players who challenge him - Giteau, Cooper, etc.

At the end of the day - whether you like Cooper or not, there is absolutely no doubt in the world, he'd at least have had a crack and tried everything under the sun to change the test/s. You only have to watch the Reds v Lions game to realise he took them out of their comfort zone completely. Had the Reds Wallaby players been on the field - they win that game fair & square and the questions about the Lions start before the Test series kicks off.