Cheerio Deans

[BarneySF]

The awe of invincibility has washed away...

In fact, teams are getting excited about playing us with the perception of us being the weakest of the SH - and knowing that the Munsters, Samoas and Scotlands of the world (most recently), are in with a chance for a scalp.

 

[Lindommer]

Yes. At least 3 full seasons of tests, which would equate to about 35 - 40 tests.

Macqueen was appointed after the 1997 Tri-Nations disaster in SAf under Greg Smith. No one knew at the time the poor bastard was suffering with a brain tumour (looking back, he did bloody well with such a major handicap) but that's all in the past. Macqueen took the Oz side to Argentina where they played two tests in November 1997 before moving on to Europe. Rod had EXACTLY two years at the helm before the RWC final in November 1999.

 

[Gnostic]

Macqueen was appointed after the 1997 Tri-Nations disaster in SAf under Greg Smith. No one knew at the time the poor bastard was suffering with a brain tumour (looking back, he did bloody well with such a major handicap) but that's all in the past. Macqueen took the Oz side to Argentina where they played two tests in November 1997 before moving on to Europe. Rod had EXACTLY two years at the helm before the RWC final in November 1999.

My comment you quoted was with regard to White. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Hardtackle]

The results of the Deans era are mediocre at best. Clearly, straight after RWC 2011 was the correct time to punt him, but now will have to do. Now as in NOW.

 

[Pfitzy]

The other reality we need to keep in mind is that Australian rugby as a success story is infrequent and rather recent. A lot of people here remember 1999-2001 as the golden era, but some try to accept it as a benchmark.

 

[Franky]

If we change now, we're out of RWC 2015. Maybe even not past the pool stages.

Don't take the pile of crap served up by the players today as an excuse to sack Deans. These same players were on par, occasionally better than this opposition last week. It was the players who floundered around.

Hell, Genia doesn't screw up four times, conceding four tries, and we win by 1. Blame him if you want to put the blame on someone, not the coach.

Are you even remotely serious? I will take your comment as tongue in cheek!

 

[Franky]

Every RWC since professionalism has been won by a team who has been under the same coach since 4 years prior. We have Deans until 2014 basically. That says to the successor "You have 18 games to make your world cup squad." As much as I like McKenzie, I doubt he can make a World Cup winning squad in less than 50 games.
Sure, come end of RWC2015 with no trophy, sack him good. But we committed to the guy for the years after RWC2011. Stick with it.

Get real?

 

[TOCC]

Gotta be a joke

 

[Franky]

The results of the Deans era are mediocre at best. Clearly, straight after RWC 2011 was the correct time to punt him, but now will have to do. Now as in NOW.

Deans put pressure on the ARU board to extend his contract beyond RWC, the board got their wish ( Horwill captain for RWC) and Dean got an extension till Lions tour. Now please Robbie stop playing games and hop back over the ditch.

 

[Hardtackle]

Agree that it wasn't Deans fault he got his gig extended. The ARU could easily have said let's wait and see. If a miracle happened and we actually won the cup then there would have been more dough in the coffers to pay Deans more or get a quality replacement.

The ARU fucked up pure an simple.

 

[Ruggo]

Macqueen was appointed after the 1997 Tri-Nations disaster in SAf under Greg Smith. No one knew at the time the poor bastard was suffering with a brain tumour (looking back, he did bloody well with such a major handicap) but that's all in the past. Macqueen took the Oz side to Argentina where they played two tests in November 1997 before moving on to Europe. Rod had EXACTLY two years at the helm before the RWC final in November 1999.

Interesting to note that both McQueen and Eales have highlighted in their respective books that there were issues early on in their relationship as captain and coach though both worked through them like true professionals to form a sound relationship with a common goal for the betterment of Australian Rugby.

 

[Ruggo]

The other reality we need to keep in mind is that Australian rugby as a success story is infrequent and rather recent. A lot of people here remember 1999-2001 as the golden era, but some try to accept it as a benchmark.

That is because since the game went professional in Australia, it is the benchmark.

 

[Gurz]

Deans shoulda coulda resigned at end of rwc2011 with semi final in his résumé... Classic case of not quitting while on top of your game.... Wonder if any tier 1 international team would even be interested in him now...

 

[Sully]

For the people suggesting Australia's success is infrequent or only around year 2000 Our coaching record going back awhile.

 

[Thomo]

Every RWC since professionalism has been won by a team who has been under the same coach since 4 years prior.

No, you are wrong.

Kitch Christie had nine months in charge of the Boks ahead of RWC '95. Less than a year.

And, of course, McQueen got it just under two years before RWC '99.

 

[Slim 293]

No, you are wrong.

Kitch Christie had nine months in charge of the Boks ahead of RWC '95. Less than a year.

And, of course, McQueen got it just under two years before RWC '99.

Although technically the Boks' '95 win was before professionalism........

 

[KOB1987]

For the people suggesting Australia's success is infrequent or only around year 2000 Our coaching record going back awhile.
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what those figures do say is that either Macqueen is a class above the others or his players were..I tend to feel that it was a bit of both

 

[KOB1987]

For the people suggesting Australia's success is infrequent or only around year 2000 Our coaching record going back awhile.
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what they don't show is that strike rate continued in the first half of the Jones era, after the 2003 RWC is when they started to fall away, due mainly to a raft of retiring players, for the second half of Jones' tenure..since then Aus rugby has been in a bit of a lull, again in part due to the players and in part to the coaches..the general consensus is that now for the first time in a decade we have the right players to dominate but the wrong coach

 

[disco]

Deans has got to go now. McKenzie to take over for the Rugby Championship.

 

[KOB1987]

For the people suggesting Australia's success is infrequent or only around year 2000 Our coaching record going back awhile.
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interesting to put a journo's spin on your spreadsheet Sully..if the Wallabies had won all 3 tests the stats and the headlines could say that Deans is 'our most successful coach since Rod Macqueen'..but as they only got 1 win substitute that with 'our worst coach since Eddie Jones!'