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CAS Rugby 2025
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Desmond Connor (43)
Penalties. Barker was penalised a lot apparently.
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Frank Nicholson (4)
Cranbrook will bounce back.
Al Packer
Frank Row (1)
Agree with your English lesson but wouldn't call Shore, SIC & NC weak trials.
Al Packer
Frank Row (1)
Not sure you will find any pies at the Cranbrook tuckshop. All gourmet waygu beef burgers, sashimi tacos & charcuterie boards!
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Chris McKivat (8)
Much agreed, got myself a nice pie and burger, would eat again.
Almost 100yrs of history.
CAS comp first played 1930.
Aloys has always struggled (albeit maybe not this bad) - one sole rugby premiership 1978, and two joint in that period.
Never won CAS Athletics, last won swimming in 1935
Any other 2nds or As results, or do we wait for the results summary from Waverley.
Think all that's been posted is a narrow Know win in the 2nds.
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Aloys old boy here, very sad to see whats happened to the schools rugby performances in recent years. Can mainly be brought down to the introduction of a 3rd winter sport (AFL) roughly 10 years ago at the hand of the current principal at the time (who was new). as a result the number of students playing rugby dropped rapidly. Seems the school has taken a similar path as schools such as Sydney High and Sydney Grammar becoming almost solely focused on academic performance rather than being more balanced. Will be interesting to see what happens to them & the CAS competition over the next few years, but very sad to see especially as an Old boy to the school
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Chris McKivat (8)
@Bob_Talau65 what are your thoughts on the matter?
Ziggy
Chris McKivat (8)
This is very sad. Unfortunately Aloys are just not competitive at all and I can't see them coming back. Perhaps a relegation system will work with an ISA merge but I don't think it's fair if 2 of the other CAS teams play in a 2nd tier comp. Perhaps it's a part merge with Oakhill, Augustines and Pius joining to be replaced by Aloys, Grammar and High?
Hector
Peter Burge (5)
As an actual Aloys person (note, that the Bob Talau guy couldn't spell Aloysius in his early posts), I can say that there's no strong desire expressed at a school or rugby committee level to stay in the CAS competition. The school has been a strong advocate for the mixed ISA/CAS comp for Term 3 and have requested during CAS that the Second XV and Bs play against Thirds / Cs etc (I understand Cranbrook said no, but others are fine with it). So unlike Snort's suggestion that "what are Aloys trying to achieve?", the School is actually pushing to have some parity in competition and that for SAC is not at a CAS level.
Things won't change in terms of competitiveness either. Despite nearly winning in 2015 (the 20-19 loss to Knox prevented a joint premiership), there's no bright spot. The 14As and 15A are pretty good, but there is zero depth. The school leadership have a very, very strong view that there will be no sporting scholarships. The school also gives kids a choice of sports in winter (and I would suggest volleyball takes more decent athletes than AFL does, as all the top basketball kids flock to it and Aloys is genuinely good at basketball). It's also been a selective school for a very long time and that produces a different mix of parents as well as kids, who I think take significantly greater notice about finishing 6th in the HSC against what the score in a footy game might be.
Anyway, I can say that the school is not out to spoil your CAS competition. Nor put kids at risk (only one player came off injured yesterday, the loosehead, and I note that the Waverley 6 was off in the first couple of minutes - that's rugby). There was also a parent, who is an orthopaedic surgeon as the medic on the sideline, so the care is there. Nor is the school intent on trying to hang in there at a CAS level. People here (like Snort in particular) have speculated on a better structured competition, and I personally wholeheartedly agree, but it's certainly not a simple fix when there are only 6 CAS schools. There may also be a more wholistic view, that this is just one sport and CAS is a broad competition. For example, nobody argues that Waverley should be evicted from CAS debating even though they've never won and they are clearly not competitive (I'm sure you'd agree WLF). So I would suggest the Term 3 'solution' this year is a step in the right direction, and further steps will probably be taken post 2025 and I know of no Aloys person who would disagree or doggedly push to stay in any CAS first XV comp. Maybe that is part of the issue, but it certainly reflects the reality.
Can I add, Waverley were just brilliant yesterday. If anyone can get access to the footage, watch it for a masterclass in support play. All 15 of them know they were a chance of scoring at will, and just wanted to get their hands on the ball. 9, 10 and 15 were absolutely amazing, and 2 and 3 in the forwards were unstoppable. As a spectacle, it was disappointing to watch the Charlie Brown gold jerseys trudge back under the posts time after time, but watching the Double Vs was a particularly treat, they were faultless and deserve every bit of credit.
Things won't change in terms of competitiveness either. Despite nearly winning in 2015 (the 20-19 loss to Knox prevented a joint premiership), there's no bright spot. The 14As and 15A are pretty good, but there is zero depth. The school leadership have a very, very strong view that there will be no sporting scholarships. The school also gives kids a choice of sports in winter (and I would suggest volleyball takes more decent athletes than AFL does, as all the top basketball kids flock to it and Aloys is genuinely good at basketball). It's also been a selective school for a very long time and that produces a different mix of parents as well as kids, who I think take significantly greater notice about finishing 6th in the HSC against what the score in a footy game might be.
Anyway, I can say that the school is not out to spoil your CAS competition. Nor put kids at risk (only one player came off injured yesterday, the loosehead, and I note that the Waverley 6 was off in the first couple of minutes - that's rugby). There was also a parent, who is an orthopaedic surgeon as the medic on the sideline, so the care is there. Nor is the school intent on trying to hang in there at a CAS level. People here (like Snort in particular) have speculated on a better structured competition, and I personally wholeheartedly agree, but it's certainly not a simple fix when there are only 6 CAS schools. There may also be a more wholistic view, that this is just one sport and CAS is a broad competition. For example, nobody argues that Waverley should be evicted from CAS debating even though they've never won and they are clearly not competitive (I'm sure you'd agree WLF). So I would suggest the Term 3 'solution' this year is a step in the right direction, and further steps will probably be taken post 2025 and I know of no Aloys person who would disagree or doggedly push to stay in any CAS first XV comp. Maybe that is part of the issue, but it certainly reflects the reality.
Can I add, Waverley were just brilliant yesterday. If anyone can get access to the footage, watch it for a masterclass in support play. All 15 of them know they were a chance of scoring at will, and just wanted to get their hands on the ball. 9, 10 and 15 were absolutely amazing, and 2 and 3 in the forwards were unstoppable. As a spectacle, it was disappointing to watch the Charlie Brown gold jerseys trudge back under the posts time after time, but watching the Double Vs was a particularly treat, they were faultless and deserve every bit of credit.
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Ted Thorn (20)
Great reply Hector,
No surprises here for me, my family has a long association with Aloys, I currently have a nephew at Aloys.
My main concern, and Snorts, is the safety facto. YES the scores are poor, and there may be suitable medical support on the sideline but that's cure not prevention.
I can't help but think of the rugby effect going co-ed will have on the CAS and AAGPS schools who are heading that way very shortly.
The world is changing faster than ever before so many old norms may well become a thing of the past, and Aloys has every right to go in whatever direction it desires.
I would think that the boards of all these associations will have to start taking a longer term view and try to map out a suitable plan., given the changing strategic plans of some schools, in particular Aloys, Cranbrook and Newington.
BTW Waverley, in reference to your comment that Waverley never wins the debating comp, as you know, has always been and most likely always will be a school made up of the "real" world.
By that I mean it attracts families from a diverse cross section of community, not just well healed families, mind you the fees are accelerating fast and it is no longer half the price of most other private schools, so it too, is out of reach for the majority of people.
As such it often performs well at sport, but also provides well for the two-thirds of boys who take the ATAR route, fact is, most of them get into whatever course at Uni they aim at, mine and many other friends have experienced this first hand, the teaching is terrific.
It specializes in producing all-rounders.
You would think that there is already a future rugby blue print in play, as touched on, ie SBHS and Grammar. The GPS have dealt with this well, so there should also be a suitable solution for Aloys. Bottom line is, like minded rugby schools should all be grouped together.
New Zealand schools have a promotion/relegation system that appears to work very well, no need to reinvent the wheel here.
I think the CAS/ISA comp at the end of the season is a GREAT idea, and is a future mud map on how things should be, unfortunately at the moment the Aloys situation persists.
Yours WLF.
Scrums'n Roses
Frank Nicholson (4)
Cranbrook v Waverly on Hordern or Queens Park this year?
Bob_Talau65
Allen Oxlade (6)
Death Valley son,
#BOBTALAU
saladsdontwinscrums1
Herbert Moran (7)
At Death Valley this year.
phil_jones1989
Frank Row (1)
You'll all look like idiots (including those from aloys) if aloys cause an upset in one of the remaining games of the CAS competetion. Has happened in recent years.