Famed_Star
Allen Oxlade (6)
Same old Barker.
Which happened first? Would the player standing next to him have heard the whistle so stopped playing?
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CAS Rugby 2023
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Which happened first? Would the player standing next to him have heard the whistle so stopped playing?
Backintheolddays
Billy Sheehan (19)
As an accredited junior and senior ref Barkers line out try was fair. That is with no visibility of the ref or being able to hear what was said before the try was scored.
Defensive line out teams that seek an obstruction penalty by stand off defence are usually well coached in the rule interpretation and also have a caller for the team (and ref) to indicate if the ball has been fed to the back of the maul (penalty) or if remains at the front and active defence is required.
Always looks bad when the defending team earns a penalty which is then overturned and a try is awarded instead. Shit happens.
Defensive line out teams that seek an obstruction penalty by stand off defence are usually well coached in the rule interpretation and also have a caller for the team (and ref) to indicate if the ball has been fed to the back of the maul (penalty) or if remains at the front and active defence is required.
Always looks bad when the defending team earns a penalty which is then overturned and a try is awarded instead. Shit happens.
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Sorry mate. You were drowned out the rubbish.
I really like the idea. Would love to hear if anyone has any criticisms.
it was a (genuine thoughts tho) cynical attempt to change the flow of the forum - maybe I'll get told to sit on the pine for 10
workingdasnipe
Peter Burge (5)
Round 4 predictions?
james richards
Allen Oxlade (6)
Waverley 35+
Cranbrook 5+ (home ground + last home game ever for yr 12s *on home ground* make it a hard fight plus from the waverley v knox game last week we can see knox didn't fend aswell against waverley as cranbrook did)
Trinity 5+
RUCKS R US
Frank Nicholson (4)
Knox v Cranbrook - 28+ Knox
Waverly v Aloys - 40+ Waves
Trinity v barker - 21+ barker
WLF3
Billy Sheehan (19)
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Lets stop calling it a Maul as it wasn't, it would require a player from either team.
1. A maul can take place only in the field of play.
2. It consists of a ball carrier and at least one player from each team, bound together and on their feet. A player ripping the ball from the ball carrier must stay in contact with that player until they have transferred the ball.
Given the ref blew his whistle prior to the grounding means the play has stopped. In this instance he could have agreed he got it wrong and maybe awarded a scrum to barker.
The ref can confer with his Assistant Referees (yes thats what they are called now) however is still 'The referee is the sole judge of fact and of law during a match. The referee must apply the laws of the game fairly in every match'
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
"Asks if the jumper retained ball when maul shape forms (not an actual maul as Cranbrook doesn't join)" - RedOrDead
I'm very aware, and covered that in my initial response to the video.
As was already stated. By the laws of the game. Yes. Should have been a scrum restart. But rugby is often criticised for a lack of common sense. Common sense prevails here. Try call was correct on that basis. Even if a scrum was awarded 5 metres out... You're probably seeing a Barker try anyways (I wish this was the case, because the whinging is ridiculous).
As I've previously stated, if you really think that Barker should be punished in this scenario because they understand the laws of the game and the Cranbrook pack / ref has no idea... I'd say that's illogical.
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james richards
Allen Oxlade (6)
"Yes. Should have been a scrum restart." common sense isnt a law unfortunately you juststates it should have been a scrum restart. if common sense was a law then sure but it isn't the law states it should've just been a scrum restart
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Common sense has a place in every sport.
Whistle was blown during the process of diving for a certain try.
Even if it's a scrum 5 out, Barker probably score.
Better team won (as evidenced by only one team understanding the laws). Move on its boring.
james richards
Allen Oxlade (6)
common sense does not over-ride law.
the law is the law so it shouldn't have been a try.
we can move on no worries we know it's wrong even though you stated that it should have been a try.
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Whistle didn't blow until Barker player was starting to dive for line. Cranbrook player was chasing, and was never a chance.
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Even in the court of law equity exists...
Whistle was blown as player is diving. There is quite literally no way the Cranbrook player stops him, he isn't even close. Play on.
And as I've stated... What you are saying is the team who didn't understand the laws should benefit because the ref also doesn't know the laws.
Additionally, even if you believe there should have been a scrum 5 metres out (which I would have preferred, now we have to deal with this), chances are Cranbrook lose.
We are going in circles. So let's leave it here.
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scrumhead99
Fred Wood (13)
Knox 17+
Barker 21+
Waverley 35+
Barker 21+
Waverley 35+
workingdasnipe
Peter Burge (5)
Fun Fact: Waverley have not beaten Aloys at QP1 since 2017.
RedOrDead
Charlie Fox (21)
Really looking forward to a potential huge Waves underdog story this Saturday !
Running_rugby_1954
Ron Walden (29)
Fun fact 2:
If Waverley win, it is their 4th premiership in 8 years.
Sadly, the best team Waverley has ever had missed their chance in 2021 due to Covid. So looking at 5 in the past 8 years. With Barker next at 3.