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CAS Rugby 2023

Halfbackenthusiast

Halfbackenthusiast

Ted Fahey (11)
moa999 said:
Well done to all those boys.

But it is important to understand what those teams are.. They are not a Schoolboys side of old.

You can only be selected in those sides if you played in the schoolboys tournament this week - so that excludes anyone selected for Waratahs, Waratah White, Reds, Reds Grey, Force, Brumbies or Rebels sides and playing in the ARU Academy tournament (as well as anyone injured) - something like 5x23 + 2x15 = 145 Schoolboys + U18s., and accounting for the lack of depth in some teams, maybe 75-100 Schoolboys who feasibly rank ahead of these sides.

So in a position where a particular association (GPS or CAS) is quite strong, its quite feasible to miss out on association selection and make it to the Schoolboys team.

But it also shows the issues with starting the CAS season so late (only 2 of 5 games played), whereas GPS had played 6 of 10 before selections.
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This years really exposed the issues, a lot of us have known for awhile. Waverley had a tough trial period with significant injuries, this has not only disadvantaged those injured looking to be selected in CAS but the whole team, with new combinations etc. The issues are we can’t push back the rep period, as then it would clash with trial and hsc preparation.
 
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Famed_Star

Allen Oxlade (6)
moa999 said:
Well done to all those boys.

But it is important to understand what those teams are.. They are not a Schoolboys side of old.

You can only be selected in those sides if you played in the schoolboys tournament this week - so that excludes anyone selected for Waratahs, Waratah White, Reds, Reds Grey, Force, Brumbies or Rebels sides and playing in the ARU Academy tournament (as well as anyone injured) - something like 5x23 + 2x15 = 145 Schoolboys + U18s., and accounting for the lack of depth in some teams, maybe 75-100 Schoolboys who feasibly rank ahead of these sides.

So in a position where a particular association (GPS or CAS) is quite strong, its quite feasible to miss out on association selection and make it to the Schoolboys team.

But it also shows the issues with starting the CAS season so late (only 2 of 5 games played), whereas GPS had played 6 of 10 before selections.
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It’s not.

But Felix Turinui jumped ahead of the two 10’s selected ahead of him for CAS in this selection and Noah Tofaeono jumped ahead of the entire seconds backrow. On top of Kaleb Colt initially being selected as a reserve prop and Niulala being dejected as a backrower.

This just highlights some of the issues with the CAS selectors.
 
Jumping_jack

Jumping_jack

Ward Prentice (10)
Famed_Star said:
It’s not.

But Felix Turinui jumped ahead of the two 10’s selected ahead of him for CAS in this selection and Noah Tofaeono jumped ahead of the entire seconds backrow. On top of Kaleb Colt initially being selected as a reserve prop and Niulala being dejected as a backrower.

This just highlights some of the issues with the CAS selectors.
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Yep pretty clear cut the errors over the past few years. Impacting on players selections, also impacts potential rugby careers and with the losses for CAS despite the strong school performances, the selectors are clearly getting it wrong.

Some time for a rethink on the process is needed. I am not sure how schools can improve the process. I wonder if videos are shared with selectors and feedback given to who the selectors should be pursuing.

I also want to highlight again that playing u16’s players does not benefit them at all. All of those players end up having to go the u16’s path away which is the path they should have taken in the first place. Even future wallabies such as Nick Frost didn’t represent CAS opens as an u16’s player.
 
Running_rugby_1954

Running_rugby_1954

Ron Walden (29)
It is strange for the selections to be so different from eventual outcomes. Australian schools selectors are also welcome to their own opinions, but to be so different is rare.

It’s also a really recent phenomenon for u16’s players to be selected in opens. So it must be a new policy for CAS player development for future years. Which if that is the aim is positive. As long as it is not at the expense as other potential selections.
 
Rudderless

Rudderless

Phil Hardcastle (33)
Running_rugby_1954 said:
It is strange for the selections to be so different from eventual outcomes. Australian schools selectors are also welcome to their own opinions, but to be so different is rare.

It’s also a really recent phenomenon for u16’s players to be selected in opens. So it must be a new policy for CAS player development for future years. Which if that is the aim is positive. As long as it is not at the expense as other potential selections.
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Same thing happens in GPS when 16yr olds are elevated to the Opens which sounds fantastic but physically I’m not so sure. Who’s taking the blame when an 18yr old lines up and seriously hurts one of these younger boys.
 
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Allen Oxlade (6)
Jumping_jack said:
Yep pretty clear cut the errors over the past few years. Impacting on players selections, also impacts potential rugby careers and with the losses for CAS despite the strong school performances, the selectors are clearly getting it wrong.

Some time for a rethink on the process is needed. I am not sure how schools can improve the process. I wonder if videos are shared with selectors and feedback given to who the selectors should be pursuing.

I also want to highlight again that playing u16’s players does not benefit them at all. All of those players end up having to go the u16’s path away which is the path they should have taken in the first place. Even future wallabies such as Nick Frost didn’t represent CAS opens as an u16’s player.
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mate if the 16 year old is good enough he is old enough, some clubs in the Brisbane colts competition have 16 year olds playing 1st and 2nd grade colts.
 
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Ella Magic

Frank Row (1)
JackJill said:
Turinui and Standfield were phenomenal. What is with the CAS selection process? The way Turinui controlled the game at 10 looked too natural to him, why wasn't he the CAS 1 or 2 flyhalf? Maybe they need to revert to internal trials where they can see how top players perform against each other.
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Im pretty sure it's because Turinui was playing 15 for Waverley and they were losing to teams that Knox and Barker had beaten in the trials ( Oakhill Riverview ) and were pretty disjointed due to injuries . The success at Randwick at State and the return from injury of the big 8 had them as a potent 8 9 10 combination. And followed up with a good win over Barker. Well done. I found it strange that St Augustine's Joe Walsh wasn't the 10 although Cohesion is King at this level at this time. Just my thoughts.
 
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Union on Top

Peter Burge (5)
Ella Magic said:
Im pretty sure it's because Turinui was playing 15 for Waverley and they were losing to teams that Knox and Barker had beaten in the trials ( Oakhill Riverview ) and were pretty disjointed due to injuries . The success at Randwick at State and the return from injury of the big 8 had them as a potent 8 9 10 combination. And followed up with a good win over Barker. Well done. I found it strange that St Augustine's Joe Walsh wasn't the 10 although Cohesion is King at this level at this time. Just my thoughts.
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Joe Walsh is in the Gen Blue 1sts team. That’s why he wasn’t selected
 
Hankspank

Hankspank

Larry Dwyer (12)
Ella Magic said:
Im pretty sure it's because Turinui was playing 15 for Waverley and they were losing to teams that Knox and Barker had beaten in the trials ( Oakhill Riverview ) and were pretty disjointed due to injuries . The success at Randwick at State and the return from injury of the big 8 had them as a potent 8 9 10 combination. And followed up with a good win over Barker. Well done. I found it strange that St Augustine's Joe Walsh wasn't the 10 although Cohesion is King at this level at this time. Just my thoughts.
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Joe played Gen Blue 1's in Qld
 
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CAS_Rugby

Stan Wickham (3)
Ella Magic said:
Im pretty sure it's because Turinui was playing 15 for Waverley and they were losing to teams that Knox and Barker had beaten in the trials ( Oakhill Riverview ) and were pretty disjointed due to injuries . The success at Randwick at State and the return from injury of the big 8 had them as a potent 8 9 10 combination. And followed up with a good win over Barker. Well done. I found it strange that St Augustine's Joe Walsh wasn't the 10 although Cohesion is King at this level at this time. Just my thoughts.
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Except Turinui has played 6 of Waverley’s 8 games at 5/8. And they have won the last 5.

And the only reason he was at fullback was because of the huge injury list, an injury list the selectors were aware of.

And once Waverley were back to full strength they beat Augustines by a higher margin than Knox.

The selectors saw Waverley’s first two games when they were missing 9 or 10 genuine firsts starters and decided they weren’t going to pick them.
 
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CAS Fanatic

CAS Fanatic

Peter Burge (5)
In other news, Cranbrook play Oakhill tommorow should be a tough hit out against a very strong Oakhill side and a good test before facing the likes of Barker and Knox.

Is anyone aware of other trial games being played or been played in the holidays?
 
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