Ziggy
Herbert Moran (7)
100% agree. If rugby starts to dwindle and they continue to only field 2 teams per age group, the question that needs to be asked is whether or not there will be a proper rugby program in 5-10 years time.
CAS Rugby 2023
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Ziggy
Herbert Moran (7)
Interesting - is it now starting to cater to its demographic?
Are the boys that Barker are attracting not Rugby players?
It will be interesting to see how close the Rugby games are over the weekend.
Thank god there is finally a school catering for the untapped demand of schoolboys to choose Netball Umpiring as their winter sport
Backintheolddays
Billy Sheehan (19)
It is literally a 'choice' for the school in the diversity of sports they offer. Friends kids that go to Barker do not enjoy the rugby programs lack of depth and the aussie rules is a joke where anyone with talent only plays club to the detriment of the school program. By offering diversity of choice they diminish their capability - choice is a wonderful thing but so is balance. I know TKS is challenged on this front, particularly re aussie rules, but is resisting to ensure depth in their core programs. Do you want solid programs or give snowflake the chance to 'do their thang'. Depends on where rugby stands in another decade as soccer/football is probably the #1 sport in most GPS schools these days. God forbid we'll probably end up with league and rules before much longer.
WLF3
Billy Sheehan (19)
WOW B,
Sticking my neck out here, I have to absolutely agree with you that todays world is all about that word WOKE.
Schools are absolute breeding grounds for this SOFT crap and thus the result is kids (which they still are) must have their needs catered for otherwise they will get OFFENDED!
The next co-curricular activity will be Monopoly! and put me down here as an UMP for my winter, AND summer activities.
P.S. Always buy Mayfair!
Hercules Von Grimmelshaus
Allen Oxlade (6)
Oh dear all showing your age a bit. Offering multiple winter sport options isn’t woke. If you want kids to play rugby then promote it and make it attractive to them, you dont make a deep rugby program by forcing kids to play it. Barker is a co-Ed school so won’t have the same number of teams as all boys schools simple as that.
WLF3
Billy Sheehan (19)
Well H, I think age really isn't the issue, but the suggestion of woke isn't meant to mean its exact definition.
Let's break down your comment.
Yep nothing wrong with offering multiple winter sports, but there comes a point where too many options require too much resource and so the result for each sport/activity will probably become compromised.
Barker has been a co-ed school for a looong time, and had real Rugby depth for decades, suddenly not so.
I am not sure of the numbers but interested to see how many boys are in year 5-12, I would be surprised if the numbers were significantly lower than other CAS schools, keen to hear back.
Regardless of the reasons/excuses change is needed to avoid the obvious.
Hercules Von Grimmelshaus
Allen Oxlade (6)
So a private school with huge fees is struggling for resources?? Have you seen the Rosewood centre and the S&C team? Barker has been coed years 10-12 for a long time yes but only recently has that extended to the younger years.
Comparison or number of boys per year would be interesting for sure maybe I’m wrong there
Backintheolddays
Billy Sheehan (19)
Apologies my comment wasn’t directed at Barker specifically but rather the ramifications of too much choice diluting the talent pool. Barker is an amazing school and any child would be privileged to attend. My point was intended to be universal, narrower choice generally leads to greater depth, but it is firstly about what suits the child.
WLF3
Billy Sheehan (19)
H, Relax, I didn't mean $ resources, it is a TERRIFIC school, with TERRIFIC facilities.
Fact is, any way you want to look at it, it's depth of Rugby program is struggling, and BTW, no one is happy to see that!
Good luck tomorrow, but not too much!
Ziggy
Herbert Moran (7)
Final Waverley Vs Barker Scores:
13A - Waverley 65-5
13B - Waverley 95-0
14A - Waverley 29-7
14B - Waverley 20-19
14C - Waverley 59-14
15A - Waverley 58-8
15B - Waverley 74-0
16A - Barker 13-5
16B - Waverley 26-22
4th XV - Barker 21-17
3rd XV - Waverley 38-0
2nd XV - Waverley 38-0
1st XV - Waverley 29-17
In summary, the results aren't unexpected... Only 4 close games and 2 wins to Barker.
Unfortunately, I fear for the future of Barker Rugby.
On another note, Waverley have only lost 5 CAS games in total so far. 3 against Cranbrook and now 2 vs Barker.
Would be good if we can get a similar table for Cranbrook Vs Trinity and Knox Vs Aloys
13A - Waverley 65-5
13B - Waverley 95-0
14A - Waverley 29-7
14B - Waverley 20-19
14C - Waverley 59-14
15A - Waverley 58-8
15B - Waverley 74-0
16A - Barker 13-5
16B - Waverley 26-22
4th XV - Barker 21-17
3rd XV - Waverley 38-0
2nd XV - Waverley 38-0
1st XV - Waverley 29-17
In summary, the results aren't unexpected... Only 4 close games and 2 wins to Barker.
Unfortunately, I fear for the future of Barker Rugby.
On another note, Waverley have only lost 5 CAS games in total so far. 3 against Cranbrook and now 2 vs Barker.
Would be good if we can get a similar table for Cranbrook Vs Trinity and Knox Vs Aloys
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Jumping_jack
Ward Prentice (10)
Waves won 15a’s 58-8 15b’s 74-0 16b’s 26-22.
lost 4ths
winning thirds now 19-
Edit: thirds win by 40 and waves win 14a’s and b’s
lost 4ths
winning thirds now 19-
Edit: thirds win by 40 and waves win 14a’s and b’s
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Some good chat.
The demographics of the families attending Barker, Knox etc....is changing.
1st generation Chinese and Indian Australians are starting to become a significant proportion of the student body. You'll never see any of these kids with a Gilbert in their hands. Football becomes the default sport for many of them making football team numbers significantly higher than rugby at Barker for 7 or 8 years now. From discussion with many Knox Dad mates it seems, subjectively, a similar circumstance.
A real estate agent mate told me Chinese migrants represent about 80% of the purchasers on the upper north shore of Sydney.
Don't expect rugby to do much other than decline further over the future as much as it saddens me.
Good luck to all teams today.
The demographics of the families attending Barker, Knox etc....is changing.
1st generation Chinese and Indian Australians are starting to become a significant proportion of the student body. You'll never see any of these kids with a Gilbert in their hands. Football becomes the default sport for many of them making football team numbers significantly higher than rugby at Barker for 7 or 8 years now. From discussion with many Knox Dad mates it seems, subjectively, a similar circumstance.
A real estate agent mate told me Chinese migrants represent about 80% of the purchasers on the upper north shore of Sydney.
Don't expect rugby to do much other than decline further over the future as much as it saddens me.
Good luck to all teams today.
