CAS Rugby 2015

Kilgore Trout · May 17, 2015

BRUMBIEJACK said:
I wanted to road test an idea on the forum after watching the Waverley 15Ds v Cranbrook 15Cs yesterday. Because Trinity and Cranbrook asked that their Bs be matched against Knox & Waverley Cs the Bs game was between Knox and Waverley (who also played against each other last week - they'll be sick of the sight of each other at season's end).

Anyway, the Cs v Ds game was fine but both teams had 10-11 players on the bench which I assume is because they were short of getting enough for a Ds and Es respectively. Both schools ran their reserves on and off as often as possible to give the boys a run.

The thought occurred to me that there must be other schools in this position and that there may be some merit in allowing schools to run a 10 a-side team where the same conditions exist. So, rather than having 10 reserves there could have been a Ds v Es 10 a side game prior to the Cs v Ds. This wouldn't work for every match obviously but where schools find themselves in a similar position there is surely more benefit in 10 boys getting a full game with less players rather than being subbed on and off constantly.

Sportsmasters could arrange it in the week leading up to the Saturday if there was interest in the other school - otherwise they could revert to the 10-man bench or search for a GPS/ISA school in the same position. When rugby is such a marginal sport surely we should be doing all we can to encourage as much participation as possible.

Thoughts anyone ?

I think it's well worth exploring - parents not to mention the boys will very quickly tire of battling Sydney Saturday morning traffic for half a game or less.

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CatchnPass · May 17, 2015

harry247 said:
how does that age go?

15s? Waverley has been consistently strongest, followed by Knox and Barker. Trinity and Alloys are not too bad though have usually lost to top 3 and poor Cranbrook get pumped 50+ regularly.

RedBlue · May 17, 2015

CatchnPass said:
15s? Waverley has been consistently strongest, followed by Knox and Barker. Trinity and Alloys are not too bad though have usually lost to top 3 and poor Cranbrook get pumped 50+ regularly.

I don't think that it will be this way this year, I dont think much will separate Knox and Waverely but Barker may be down the lower end of the table this season after loosing to a depleted Alloys side who got beaten by Trinity when they were closer to full strength. But I do feel sorry for Cranbrook they do get at least 50 points put on them almost every game from all reports. Not sure if you can do much about this in the A's?

jeff thomson · May 17, 2015

My tips for A teams this year

Firsts - Knox
16's - Knox/Waverley
15's - Waverley/Knox
14's - Knox
13's - Barker

harry247 · May 17, 2015

CatchnPass said:
15s? Waverley has been consistently strongest, followed by Knox and Barker. Trinity and Alloys are not too bad though have usually lost to top 3 and poor Cranbrook get pumped 50+ regularly.

so it's fair to say Waverley will have strong 1st XV teams in the next couple of years with there 15's 16's both being strong

noregrets · May 17, 2015

BRUMBIEJACK said:
I wanted to road test an idea on the forum after watching the Waverley 15Ds v Cranbrook 15Cs yesterday. Because Trinity and Cranbrook asked that their Bs be matched against Knox & Waverley Cs the Bs game was between Knox and Waverley (who also played against each other last week - they'll be sick of the sight of each other at season's end).

Anyway, the Cs v Ds game was fine but both teams had 10-11 players on the bench which I assume is because they were short of getting enough for a Ds and Es respectively. Both schools ran their reserves on and off as often as possible to give the boys a run.

The thought occurred to me that there must be other schools in this position and that there may be some merit in allowing schools to run a 10 a-side team where the same conditions exist. So, rather than having 10 reserves there could have been a Ds v Es 10 a side game prior to the Cs v Ds. This wouldn't work for every match obviously but where schools find themselves in a similar position there is surely more benefit in 10 boys getting a full game with less players rather than being subbed on and off constantly.

Sportsmasters could arrange it in the week leading up to the Saturday if there was interest in the other school - otherwise they could revert to the 10-man bench or search for a GPS/ISA school in the same position. When rugby is such a marginal sport surely we should be doing all we can to encourage as much participation as possible.

Thoughts anyone ?

They already do this

noregrets · May 17, 2015

You can't judge on what happens in the 13s though as the following year a number of the players will not move to the 14s - they will have another year in the 13s and therefore the teams will change a lot.

BRUMBIEJACK · May 17, 2015

noregrets said:
They already do this

Care to expand ? Who is 'they', how regularly is it done, what age groups, what schools ? I'm aware it exists in the junior school but haven't experienced it to date in senior school.

Daniel Jones · May 17, 2015

Some footage from Aloys vs Barker.
Big Alec Diamond clearly a dominant ball runner.

Hiekka · May 17, 2015

Great video Daniel. Well done!

sammyburgess · May 17, 2015

I couldn't get down to Horden on saturday, does anyone have a match report for waves v brook?

SonnyDillWilliams · May 17, 2015

Can anyone tell me the last time aloys beat knox?

I can't see it happening ... But school boy rugby is a strange thing.

The way aloys "bullocking winger" ... Aka the "double bay diamond" is playing ... And if stenning is out (?) and if a few knox backrowers don't play like they usually do... Then you just never know.

Can't see it happening, but as one that loves the underdog, I will be wishing it.

Either way will be interesting to see the knox backrowers trying to shut down diamond.

Ps I like aloys ranga hooker ... Might reserve judgement til after next Saturday but might be a chance of cas spot

SonnyDillWilliams · May 17, 2015

Probably not double bay diamond ... Maybe castlecrag diamond

Either way he is obviously very hard to tackle and knox outer backs might need their backrowers, if they are to avoid a boil over

sammyburgess · May 17, 2015

SonnyDillWilliams said:
Can anyone tell me the last time aloys beat knox?

I can't see it happening . But school boy rugby is a strange thing.

The way aloys "bullocking winger" . Aka the "double bay diamond" is playing . And if stenning is out (?) and if a few knox backrowers don't play like they usually do. Then you just never know.

Can't see it happening, but as one that loves the underdog, I will be wishing it.

Either way will be interesting to see the knox backrowers trying to shut down diamond.

Ps I like aloys ranga hooker . Might reserve judgement til after next Saturday but might be a chance of cas spot

Any other cas contenders?

Lineup14 · May 17, 2015

SonnyDillWilliams said:
Can anyone tell me the last time aloys beat knox?

I can't see it happening . But school boy rugby is a strange thing.

The way aloys "bullocking winger" . Aka the "double bay diamond" is playing . And if stenning is out (?) and if a few knox backrowers don't play like they usually do. Then you just never know.

Can't see it happening, but as one that loves the underdog, I will be wishing it.

Either way will be interesting to see the knox backrowers trying to shut down diamond.

Ps I like aloys ranga hooker . Might reserve judgement til after next Saturday but might be a chance of cas spot

I believe Aloys beat Knox if both fixtures in 2012

Tahmen · May 17, 2015

Awesome video! Bloody hell that Diamond winger looks very strong and with Stenning out... Not sure if Armstrong is back. Still against a much stronger opposition he might not look as good. Barker looked like they were just sliding off.

noregrets · May 17, 2015

BRUMBIEJACK said:
Care to expand ? Who is 'they', how regularly is it done, what age groups, what schools ? I'm aware it exists in the junior school but haven't experienced it to date in senior school.

all school already do this. When teams don't match up, they (Sports Masters) organise other matches obviously. It is not 10-a-side games but they are on to something similar to what you suggest.

It does need further exploring though.

Maybe Knox can play Scots and St. Augustines every other week!

Fredrick Wilson · May 17, 2015

Anyone watch 2nds of Trinity v Knox? Match Report or standout players?

BRUMBIEJACK · May 17, 2015

noregrets said:
all school already do this. When teams don't match up, they (Sports Masters) organise other matches obviously. It is not 10-a-side games but they are on to something similar to what you suggest.

It does need further exploring though.

Maybe Knox can play Scots and St. Augustines every other week!

Not sure you understood my point. I understand sports masters arrange games for teams when schools don'tt have the same number of teams in each age group. My thought bubble related to schools that have overflow players, rather then overflow teams. Rather than 10 reserves, there may be merit in arranging a 10 a-side game - based on the situation I witnessed last saturday.

noregrets · May 17, 2015

BRUMBIEJACK said:
Not sure you understood my point. I understand sports masters arrange games for teams when schools don'tt have the same number of teams in each age group. My thought bubble related to schools that have overflow players, rather then overflow teams. Rather than 10 reserves, there may be merit in arranging a 10 a-side game - based on the situation I witnessed last saturday.

apologies. I mid-read.

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