Bryce Lawrence - JO'N forced my retirement

[Scotty]

Good points.

If an employee gets promoted clearly above their competency level, who's to blame: employee or employer?

Always the employer unless the employee is doing something underhanded to conceal there incompetence. Similar to a coache picking a player - it isn't the players fault, he is just doing the best he can.

However, in this case I do have concerns that Bryce was possible conscious in favouring sides. He has basically blamed both aus media and the aru for his performances and implies that his performance affected the result. If, going into the next game he referees with those sides he is conscious of that, he is highly likely to want to sub-consciously at least, turn the tables.

Sorry about that last sentence. I blame my six month old for sleep deprivation!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

Good points.

If an employee gets promoted clearly above their competency level, who's to blame: employee or employer?

The ARU, obviously!


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[crangs81]

Up North there's a new batch of officials getting experience at Heineken Cup level this year. Guess it will be the same for 2013 S15 season. Then a lot of those guys will probably be at the 2015 WC.

I do pray to the rugby gods that James Jones isn't one of them

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

I still think Bryce was worse against Oz in that game (RWC Oz vs SA). Can't figure why the saffas were so dirty about it.

Taking the piss, surely.

If you think the ref was against you in that match, you ain't ever, and I mean ever in a million years ever, going to find a match of rugby where you think the ref is fair/balanced, let alone reffing in your favour.

 

[Tigger]

When does Bryce's book drop?

 

[BPC]

Good points.

If an employee gets promoted clearly above their competency level, who's to blame: employee or employer?

The HR department. Its always their fault.

 

[ACT Crusader]

I'm not surprised Bryce gets defended by Kiwis - not just because he is one - but because of his style of reffing especially at the breakdown. Those teams who could counter-ruck and disrupt at the breakdown did better under Bryce, and we know that many Kiwi teams excel at it. (As an aside I reckon Stu Dickers tended to ref to Aussie sensibilities)

When I was lucky enough to catch up with Link on the night of the S15 final, he said that knowing they had Byrce - breakdown disruption was a key plank of their strategy. It worked. I find it hilarious that McCaw could whinge about this.

So, it wasn't a flaw that was out of the blue or created by O'Neill, and indeed in the same article Bryce admits he was also crap at the S15 final, which he couldn't blame JO'N for then? Or maybe he was blaming McCaw? I don't think he has a clue.

I've noticed over the years a tendancy from a few refs to ref in a manner the way the game is played in the country they come from. Two in particular I recall are Chris White and Spreadbury. They would very quick to blow the whistle at the breakdown resulting in very little time for a defender to contest for the ball while on their feet. It's not a criticism but just a style that seemed to reflect how the game was played in the GP and HC

 

[Scotty]

I've noticed over the years a tendancy from a few refs to ref in a manner the way the game is played in the country they come from. Two in particular I recall are Chris White and Spreadbury. They would very quick to blow the whistle at the breakdown resulting in very little time for a defender to contest for the ball while on their feet. It's not a criticism but just a style that seemed to reflect how the game was played in the GP and HC

The one that really breaks the mould is NZ public enemy No. 1, who mostly refs in a more SH manner, keeping the breakdowns clear and letting the attacking rugby flow.

 

[Brisbok]

Taking the piss, surely.

If you think the ref was against you in that match, you ain't ever, and I mean ever in a million years ever, going to find a match of rugby where you think the ref is fair/balanced, let alone reffing in your favour.

It's usually better to let those ones fly through to the keeper mate. You'll soon see why.......in the meantime, get the popcorn out and make sure you're in a comfy chair.

 

[barbarian]

Taking the piss, surely.

If you think the ref was against you in that match, you ain't ever, and I mean ever in a million years ever, going to find a match of rugby where you think the ref is fair/balanced, let alone reffing in your favour.

Whilst I don't agree that Aussies should feel hard done by, I do think that a lot of the Saffa reaction was a bit overblown.

Bryce just stopped refereeing that day. There is no other way to describe it. So whilst we got away with a bit more (as we only had 30% possession and thus were defending most of the time), the Saffas also did a fair bit that a more active referee would have pulled up (going off feet etc.).

So my end analysis of that game was that it was a fucking mess, and Bryce was to blame. Both teams got away with a lot, and in the end Aussies got the better end of the deal. But I don't agree it was a biased display that only benefited one side.
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[Brisbok]

Yeah it's a bit like the chicken and the egg question I think. Was the Springboks flying in off their feet at the breakdown the result of Pocock basically having free reign here? Who knows.

At the end of the day, Bryce had a terrible game which was definitely a factor. The main reason the Boks lost that day though was they basically tried to play a running, ball in hand game plan with Morne Steyn at 10. As a result, there was zero creativity in attack and the game probably could have gone on another 40 minutes with the Boks unsuccessfully trying to bash their way through the Wallaby defence.

 

[MajorlyRagerly]

Whilst I don't agree that Aussies should feel hard done by, I do think that a lot of the Saffa reaction was a bit overblown.

Bryce just stopped refereeing that day. There is no other way to describe it. So whilst we got away with a bit more (as we only had 30% possession and thus were defending most of the time), the Saffas also did a fair bit that a more active referee would have pulled up (going off feet etc.).

So my end analysis of that game was that it was a fucking mess, and Bryce was to blame. Both teams got away with a lot, and in the end Aussies got the better end of the deal. But I don't agree it was a biased display that only benefited one side.
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Yes I agree on all count. But saying Australia got the raw end of the deal - that's just utterly utterly utterly utterly ridiculous.

 

[qwerty51]

Well, we don't really want to start on this but I think you're wrong. Forward passes? SA had two legitimate passes blown as forward (one was a try, and one most likely would have been). I can remember the specifics of these, can you remember the specifics that you're talking about? The Quade Cooper pass was forward, he was static, I've watched it a number of times.

As for Spies, I don't recall the incident, but Burger should have been cited for his rake. I suspect there was an element of Greyling vs McCaw in that incident because Pocock was given freedom to do what he liked at the breakdown that game.

There's what I'm talking about, a vague comment on Pocock, 'freedom to do what he liked'. Such as? It was just poor breakdown work, look at how well the ABs cleaned Pocock out in the next game.

The penalty here wasn't for actually diving off their feet but it just shows you the work of the Boks the whole game, too slow to the breakdown, poor, illegal cleanouts.

The forward pass I was referring to was the one Quade was called for, I'll try to find it.

 

[Brisbok]

The penalty here wasn't for actually diving off their feet but it just shows you the work of the Boks the whole game, too slow to the breakdown, poor, illegal cleanouts.

Clearly! Let's "randomly" select one breakdown and point out that that's how things unfolded for the whole 80 mins.

The All Blacks were very successful in cleaning out Pocock in the next game. There's no denying that their work at the breakdown in terms of cleaning out and counter rucking is a step above every other team and that's what makes them the best team in the world. I do, however, remember Craig Joubert (??) penalising Pocock at least twice very early in that game for not releasing and therefore set the tone for how the breakdown's would be reffed for the remainder of the game. How many times did Bryce penalise Pocock in the QF?

Edit - I can't believe I just got sucked into replying. Last comment.

 

[Inside Shoulder]

AB's advantage = accuracy at the breakdown.
In the top footage of qwerty51 last post 2 saffers try to drop on Pocock and just manage to take each other out

 

[qwerty51]

I do, however, remember Craig Joubert (??) penalising Pocock at least twice very early in that game for not releasing and therefore set the tone for how the breakdown's would be reffed for the remainder of the game. How many times did Bryce penalise Pocock in the QF?

Edit - I can't believe I just got sucked into replying. Last comment.

Political pressure from the SARU??

 

[GaffaCHinO]

Clearly! Let's "randomly" select one breakdown and point out that that's how things unfolded for the whole 80 mins.

The All Blacks were very successful in cleaning out Pocock in the next game. There's no denying that their work at the breakdown in terms of cleaning out and counter rucking is a step above every other team and that's what makes them the best team in the world. I do, however, remember Craig Joubert (??) penalising Pocock at least twice very early in that game for not releasing and therefore set the tone for how the breakdown's would be reffed for the remainder of the game. How many times did Bryce penalise Pocock in the QF?

Edit - I can't believe I just got sucked into replying. Last comment.

and you dont think Joubert penalising Pocock twice very early on in the game had to do with the out cry in the week leading up and he wanted to stamp his mark on the game...or god help us it was some kind of conspericy by a South African to get back at aus for what they did the week before...

 

[The Red Baron]

That gif at the top is too funny. Spies just flops onto the ground, and the Doctor goes in for the "flying dive" style cleanout, only to encounter the green pastures at the back of the ruck.

If you look at how Spies enters the ruck, you could almost swear that he had been shot, he falls down that quick!

 

[Inside Shoulder]

That gif at the top is too funny. Spies just flops onto the ground, and the Doctor goes in for the "flying dive" style cleanout, only to encounter the green pastures at the back of the ruck.

If you look at how Spies enters the ruck, you could almost swear that he had been shot, he falls down that quick!

The 3 is worse

 

[boyo]

If you look at how Spies enters the ruck, you could almost swear that he had been shot, he falls down that quick!

It reminds me of soccer players.