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Brumbies 2020

Strewthcobber

Simon Poidevin (60)
I think we're seeing that, time and again, tacticians and technical coaches are more successful than coaches who lean heavily into motivational skills. Thorn and Cheika are culture coaches, who care more about intent than form. Gibson and Wessels seem to care mostly about results, but the former doesn't really know how to get them, and the latter can't unify the cores of two teams so his tactical skills are generally useless.

I don't know how much of a tactician McKellar is, but he clearly has a technical legacy. I wonder how much squad management is done directly and how much is managed by assistants or influential players. But when you have guys like Hewat and Fisher there, you know the tactical side is probably covered and that you will have options; you just need to pick the right one.
Not sure why you're including Cheika in there. By far the most successful coach of any you mention
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
Tuggeranong had won one premiership from the previous 4 seasons before Mckellar took over?

If I am correct, they won in 2009, there was the boilover upset 2 point loss 2010. McKellar then took over the team for 11/12 and won. Then Brad Harris took them to the 13/14 titles.
 

griffins

Ted Thorn (20)
If I am correct, they won in 2009, there was the boilover upset 2 point loss 2010. McKellar then took over the team for 11/12 and won. Then Brad Harris took them to the 13/14 titles.



I think everyone else is past this but I don't think that classifies as a multi-premiership winning team. Agree with the consensus that the Brums were easily the most complete team in the conference and are a good chance to make a run in the finals. This weekend is tougher than it looks on paper though.
 

RoffsChoice

Jim Lenehan (48)
If I am correct, they won in 2009, there was the boilover upset 2 point loss 2010. McKellar then took over the team for 11/12 and won. Then Brad Harris took them to the 13/14 titles.

Spot on, MST. Official line from the Vikings:
"More premierships followed for the first grade side in 1997, ’98, ’99, 2004 and 2006 under the astute guidance of Hickey, Graham Reed, Brendan Allardyce and Baden Stephenson, as well as numerous premierships in other grades.

An enduring rivalry with a resurgent Queanbeyan Whites was established with a memorable after the siren victory in the 2009 decider, with coach Glen Christini putting his own stamp on the club in this era.

The establishment of the Vikings Rugby Academy in 2011 has laid the platform for sustainable success, with local players increasingly forming the core of premiership teams in 2011 and 2012 (under Dan McKellar), 2013 and 2014 (under Brad Harris) and 2016 (under Tim Sampson)."

I totally recommend this article for people without much knowledge of the rivalries in the ACT:
https://www.rugby.com.au/news/2019/06/07/rivalries-royals-vikings
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Cheika included more for his lack of tactical or technical skill post-2015, not as much a comment on his 2014-15 glory years.

But still a good example of the short term results of a culture-based, motivational style of coach. His lack of success post 2015 is very likely a direct outcome of his lack of tactical/technical nous.
 

mst

Peter Johnson (47)
Biggest positive for me with McKellar for me is that he has been part of the local system, has good insight, understanding is is not only backing be being willing to use it. I am thrilled, albeit a little nervously, that we will be investing in some good young talent. As long as we are competitive and evolving with a good fighting spirt and going with form for selections I will be happy if the results take some time to come.

I will be intrigued to see if McKelkar can cast his own mold as this is really the first time he will need to build I most of it himself rather than having inherented it.

I hope the Brumbies market it right to get the supporters back with a clear understanding that this is the next Gen Brumbies.

It's also why I am leaning towards not wanting White back.
 

Brumbieman

Dick Tooth (41)
Yup, as much as i'd love him back i'd prefer we stuck with Powell and Lonergan, and lock in his older brother as well. Perfect timing to come through as backup.

Worried about 10 for next year though, we're going really rookie in all options there. I'd love to see Wright get his fair share of time there to see what he could do, he looks really promising so far.
 

Up the Guts

Steve Williams (59)
I'd love to see Wright get his fair share of time there to see what he could do, he looks really promising so far.

Wright played 10 at Joeys in his final year for the first few games of the season but they shifted him out later in the season because he wasn't getting enough space in tight to be really damaging with his footwork and evasiveness. I'd be keeping him in the wider channels for the time being as it is where he is most dangerous.
 

Tomikin

David Codey (61)
Wright played 10 at Joeys in his final year for the first few games of the season but they shifted him out later in the season because he wasn't getting enough space in tight to be really damaging with his footwork and evasiveness. I'd be keeping him in the wider channels for the time being as it is where he is most dangerous.

Yeah he doesn't seem to have the passing game yet to be 10, but his dangerous on the edge, I find him playing as the second fullback with Pulu on the other wing. His big enough, has a wicked step and has some pace.
 

RoffsChoice

Jim Lenehan (48)
Further to the already confirmed departures, tonight it was confirmed that Chance Peni, Ben Hyne, and Josh Mann-Rea are leaving at the end of the season.
 

Slim 293

Stirling Mortlock (74)
Murray Douglas also apparently gone according to rugby.com.au.........

That means Swain is our only lock signed for next year.
 

Brumby Runner

Jason Little (69)
Frost will need a year or two imo to reach Super standard. Where's Blake Enever?

Reds fans don't seem to rate Blythe. Is he available?
 

TSR

Andrew Slack (58)
Frost will need a year or two imo to reach Super standard. Where's Blake Enever?

Reds fans don't seem to rate Blythe. Is he available?
???? Based on the comments in the Reds thread Blythe is very highly rated by fans.

The issue is more how long they can retain all of Rodda, Hockings, LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) & Blythe. To some degree it gets alleviated by LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto) playing in the backrow, but then you get a log jam developing of LSL (Lukhan Salakaia-Loto), ASY (Angus Scott-Young), Wright, McReight, Wilson, Wood. Not sure it’ll be a problem next year when I think a few of those guys will be prepared to bide their time a bit, but you’d figure they’ll all be looking for opportunities to start by 2021.
 
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