Brumbies 2016

[Gnostic]

From the Brumbies' website :



"Opponents of the Brumbies have received a total of eight yellow cards so far this season; no other side in Super Rugby has seen their opposition carded as often as the Brumbies."



Sort of puts to rest the urban myth that the Brumbies play the most cynical game. It suggests to me that they play such a challenging game close to the tryline that the opposition is sometimes reduced to spoiling, illegal tactics to counter them.

It would be more interesting if we saw a breakdown of where the YCs came from before we made that assertion. For instance you would have to remove foul play type YCs as those aren't the cynical type conceded to prevent pressure tries. Taking the player in the air etc.

 

[cyclopath]

From the Brumbies' website :

"Opponents of the Brumbies have received a total of eight yellow cards so far this season; no other side in Super Rugby has seen their opposition carded as often as the Brumbies."

Sort of puts to rest the urban myth that the Brumbies play the most cynical game. It suggests to me that they play such a challenging game close to the tryline that the opposition is sometimes reduced to spoiling, illegal tactics to counter them.

Without really having a position on whether they do or not, no, it doesn't.
Consider where most teams concede yellow cards, or infringe cynically, and apply it bilaterally.

 

[Pfitzy]

Or to look at it another way - yellow Card Count:

8 - Reds, Jaguares
6 - Tahs
5 - Chiefs, Ponies, Moondogs, Farce

HOLY FUCK! Fourth most carded team in the competition!

Out of interest: how do you transport them to the top of your ivory tower with the other meaningless stats? Is one of your little horses actually a Pegasus? Request to fly up and all that.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Well, that got this thread working again. Thought it had been put out to pasture.

 

[cyclopath]

I think the correct term is "glue factory".

 

[mst]

Or to look at it another way - yellow Card Count:

8 - Reds, Jaguares
6 - Tahs
5 - Chiefs, Ponies, Moondogs, Farce

HOLY FUCK! Fourth most carded team in the competition!

Out of interest: how do you transport them to the top of your ivory tower with the other meaningless stats? Is one of your little horses actually a Pegasus? Request to fly up and all that.

 

[Lindommer]

Watched my FOXTEL recording of the second series of Hinterland last night, a gripping Welsh noir drama. In the second episode one of the young Welsh farmers is wearing a Brumbies jumper, from the Super 12 era. Which is somewhat apt as the the Monaro region resembles the wild Welsh countryside of the Brecon Beacons. Bloody Ponies supporters, the bastards are everywhere.

 

[Brumby Runner]

^^^^^^^ Never got to Wales, but a few years back at Bath, went into a little rugby shop and they were well stocked with Brumbies gear.

 

[Pfitzy]

Watched my FOXTEL recording of the second series of Hinterland last night, a gripping Welsh noir drama. In the second episode one of the young Welsh farmers is wearing a Brumbies jumper, from the Super 12 era. Which is somewhat apt as the the Monaro region resembles the wild Welsh countryside of the Brecon Beacons. Bloody Ponies supporters, the bastards are everywhere.

Except Welsh people are far more interesting.

 

[mst]

Except Welsh people are far more interesting.

Says the supporter of the team with the sophisticated and interesting name of "Tah"! I still have to concentrate to differentiate between when I am talking to a Tah supporter and a baby saying one of its first words or sounds - Ta.

 

[Caputo]

Has the team been listed for the World 10's next week.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Haven't seen one published yet. I presume that neither Ala'alatoa nor Powell will be included as they could possibly be required to rejoin the Wallabies' camp if there are injuries in the first test.

I think the starting side (assuming a 5 forwards, 5 backs split) would look like:

Anae, Mann-Rea, Smith, Smiler, Butler, Dowsett, Coleman, Dargaville, Ah Wong, Toua.

Not sure how many others will go, but expect Able, Makin, Enever, Hyne, Wells, Lonergan, Andrew Smith and Taliauli to all come into consideration.

 

[mst]

Haven't seen one published yet. I presume that neither Ala'alatoa nor Powell will be included as they could possibly be required to rejoin the Wallabies' camp if there are injuries in the first test.

I think the starting side (assuming a 5 forwards, 5 backs split) would look like:

Anae, Mann-Rea, Smith, Smiler, Butler, Dowsett, Coleman, Dargaville, Ah Wong, Toua.

Not sure how many others will go, but expect Able, Makin, Enever, Hyne, Wells, Lonergan, Andrew Smith and Taliauli to all come into consideration.

Last time I sighted Anae was pre-game at the Brumbies v Sunwolves and he seemed to be limping - appeared to be a knee. Not sure of seriousness or if it was just a training knock.

 

[upthereds#!]

Have to have Wells and Taliauli getting a look in in 10's, they are 7s specialist and would offer alot.

 

[Brumby Runner]

Smiler has also played 7s for both NZ and Aus. I think most of the others have played 10s before at this level.

 

[fatprop]

It appears the Brumbies saga with ex CEO Michael Jones hasn't finished

Lawyers win right to subpoena journalists in former Brumbies boss Michael Jones' case

A Canberra court has given permission for subpoenas to be served on journalists and Opposition Leader Jeremy Hanson, seeking evidence former Brumbies chief executive Michael Jones shared a sealed report.

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Justice Richard Refshauge on Wednesday gave permission for amended subpoenas to be issued to Mr Jones, the Brumbies, Opposition Leader Jeremy Hanson, NewsCorp and The Australian, and a journalist from that newspaper.

Subpoenas will also be served on Fairfax Media and the Canberra Times, and on three journalists including this reporter, Kirsten Lawson and Christopher Knaus.

Justice Refshauge knocked back an attempt to subpoena Mr Jones' lawyer Rory Markham and his firm, who had protested the move on grounds of lawyer-client privilege.


http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act...ts-in-michael-jones-case-20160608-gpepke.html

 

[RugbyReg]

Has the team been listed for the World 10's next week.

Brumbies World Club 10s Squad
Player Position
Albert Anae Prop
Leslie Leulua’iali’i-Makin* Prop
Ruan Smith* Prop
Robbie Abel Hooker
Josh Mann-Rea* Hooker
Blake Enever Lock
Jarrad Butler No. 8/Flanker
Jordan Smiler* No. 8/Flanker/Lock
Michael Wells No. 8/Flanker
Michael Dowsett* Scrumhalf
Brent Hamlin Scrumhalf
Robbie Coleman* Utility Back
James Dargaville Wing/Centre
Nigel Ah Wong* Wing/Centre
Lausii Taliauli Wing
Aidan Toua Fullback/Wing
*represented Brumbies in 2014 World Club 10s tournament in Singapore
Aquis Brumbies fixtures
June 18, 2016
Aquis Brumbies v RC Toulon – 10:00am (4:00pm AEST)
Aquis Brumbies v Western Force – 1:36pm (7:36pm AEST)
Aquis Brumbies v Italian All Stars – 4:48pm (10:48pm AEST)

 

[MarkJ]

So I guess Powell, Ala'alatoa & Carter are staying home on standby in case of injuries to the test team?

 

[mst]

It appears the Brumbies saga with ex CEO Michael Jones hasn't finished

Ah yes, this little old thing. It will bubble away for a fair while yet.

So quick catch up for you - the ex-ARU head of integrity and now Brumbies CEO is doing his best officer Barr Brady "nothing to see here" impression and we all are believing every word.

So no, not one of us is a teenie weenie bit suspicious or even would wonder why the Government would be auditing a private business (and its not like their is an active AFP investigation and a KPMG report about the finances suppressed so opening the books up to a third party seem a logical thing to me), or why the we would ever even think to even have a thought or ever wonder why the Brumbies / UC Alliance agreement is being negotiated.

So, knowing Jones had a good relationship with the sponsors and the majority supported him, this IMHO is rather telling of the situation:

He has met University of Canberra officials, major sponsor Aquis and several other financial partners, who have indicated they are willing to stick with the club if the Brumbies get their operations organised.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/rug...of-canberra-relationship-20160604-gpbjcu.html

Now if you want a giggle, the Australian reported Jones worked out on the first day onethe job something was wrong!!!!!!!

Compliments of the Australian.

A tax concession of up to $7.5 million granted by the ACT government for the benefit of the Brumbies rugby union team was instead enjoyed by a private property developer in a deal brokered by a former ACT deputy chief minister.
The circumstances surrounding the 2013 sale of the Brumbies headquarters in the ACT suburb of Griffith and its subsequent ¬relocation to the University of Canberra — both deals struck by the former Brumbies management — have recently caused deep ructions within the club and the Australian Rugby Union.
Brumbies chief executive ¬Michael Jones was sacked, leaving the club last month, after he gave an interview to ABC Radio saying some members of the ARU would be “nervous and ¬uncomfortable” about those two deals, which were being examined by police.
Mr Jones started with the Brumbies in January last year and ¬immediately had concerns over the deals. He subsequently commissioned an in-depth -investig¬ative report by forensic invest¬igators KPMG.
It is understood the report uncovered damning details of the two deals and it was referred to the Australian Federal Police last September.
Yesterday the AFP said it was continuing to “evaluate” the contents of the KPMG report but declined to comment further.
Mr Jones, who has a background in finance, said he discovered the problems on his “first day” on the job, calling a board meeting that afternoon.
“You didn’t have to be Einstein to understand the Brumbies should never have entered into these agreements,’’ he told The Australian.
The Brumbies sold their headquarters — comprised of sporting ovals, a parcel of land and a sports club at 18 Austin Street — in 2013 for $11.375m to developer Amalgamated Property Group, owned and run by Canberra developers Graham Potts and Phillip O’Brien.
Mr Potts and Mr O’Brien did not ¬respond to requests for comment yesterday.
Despite the sale occurring in 2013, that sale price had been brokered by the parties in 2009, and so did not reflect much of the considerable property price growth in that time.
The sale price also failed to ¬reflect a $7.5m zoning benefit the ACT government had publicised as being for the benefit of the Brumbies. Instead, the benefit of that taxpayer-funded windfall effectively went to APG.
There appeared to be little ¬explanation as to how the $11.375m sale price had been ¬negotiated, why APG was select¬ed to develop the site or why the project had not gone to tender, despite the Brumbies board recom¬mending a tender process be undertaken.
At the heart of the deal was David Lamont, a Canberra businessman who was an ALP minister between 1992 and 1995.
In that time he held the positions of minister for housing, minister for urban services, minister for industrial relations, minister for sport and ACT deputy chief minister.
Mr Lamont was pivotal in broking the deal between APG and the Brumbies. He was also closely ¬involved in negotiating the $7.5m rezoning benefit from the ACT government.
Mr Lamont could not be contacted yesterday. He has previously said he could not comment ¬because the matter was before the courts.
Mr Jones is currently suing a number of parties, including ¬Lamont, alleging that they acted inappropriately by pushing to have him sacked from the Brumbies.
Andrew Fagan was the chief executive of the Brumbies during the negotiations, having held that position from 2003-2013. Mr Fagan, who is now chief executive of the AFL’s Adelaide Crows, declined to comment when contacted by The Australian yesterday.
A spokeswoman for the University of Canberra said it was not aware of any irregularities involving the relocation of the Brumbies to its campus.
The Brumbies decided to sell their Austin Street headquarters in mid-2008 due to financial difficulties the club was facing.
They obtained a rezoning to increase the value of the land, then sell it to a property developer and relocate to a cheaper location elsewhere in Canberra, using the proceeds to financially support the club.
The move is a well-trodden path, particularly in the nation’s capital. Early in its existence the ACT government gave or sold cheaply parcels of land to many clubs and societies.
With the growth of the ¬nation’s capital, many of those parcels are now in valuable inner-city areas and clubs, many facing ¬financial difficulties, are eager to sell up and move further afield to pump up their balance sheets.
Many of those sites are zoned for recreation or for uses tied to the original club operations, so, as is the case for property development generally, having the zoning of the land parcels changed to allow for apartments, houses or commercial buildings can see the value of the sites skyrocket.
In the ACT, provided the ¬development meets other conditions, developers or land owners can pay a fee to the government to have the zoning changed.
As such, the obtaining of a rezoning — and who pays for it — is a key point for clubs and others selling off.
On August 6, 2009, analyst CBRE prepared formal valuation for the Austin Street site, estim¬ating it to be worth between $18m and $19.5m, provided the rezoning was in place. It estimated the rezoning fee to be between $8.05m and $8.7m.
On October 12, 2009, the Brumbies entered a “put and call” sale agreement to sell the Austin Street Property to APG for $11.375m. The contract specified APG would pay the rezoning fee and the sale agreement was to -expire in three years, on October 12, 2012. In June 2012, Knight Frank valued the property at ¬between $14.5m and $15.5m, provided the rezoning was in place and paid for.
Three months later, the ACT government said it would waive the rezoning fee on the site — up to the cost of $10m — to benefit the Brumbies. The ACT government was eager to get political mileage out of the deal — effect-ively funded by the taxpayer in lost government revenue — and publicly announced its generosity to the city’s rugby union team.
The following year, in April, the ACT government approved the rezoning and redevelopment of the site, and it came good on its offer, waiving the $7.5m rezoning fee calculated to be payable.
However, despite having ¬received a valuation of between $13.4m and $16.6m a year earlier, the market having risen, they sold the site to APG for the then four-year-old figure of $11.375m on June 14, 2013.
The original October 2009 agreement between the Brumbies and APG was due to expire in ¬October 2012, however, it was ¬extended on three occasions, until after the ultimate sale date.
On May 30, 2013 — after the development had been approved and the ACT government had agreed to waive the $7.5m rezoning fee to the benefit of the Brumbies — the agreement was extended for a third time, to July 12, 2013. That meant that the October 2009 sale price remained in effect at the time of the sale.
Mr Jones said he was aware no ¬reference to the second and third extensions of that 2009 agreement could be found in Brumbies board minutes and that at least one board member had said they were unaware of the third extension.
He said he was aware that, ¬unlike the first variation, the second and third variations extending the time of the agreement to sell at $11.375m did not appear as though they had been prepared professionally and that the third variation had been handwritten.

 

[Hugh Jarse]

Politicians are known for their shrewd commercial acumen, aren't they?

This festering cancer still has a fair way to go I reckon.