Brumbies 2010
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Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Good to see another Rat, McCabe, make a Super squad.
I don't know that he will be good enough to make the Brumbies starting team in the next couple of years, but being full time in their setup will bring the best out of him.
Mind you, I never thought another Rat, Haig Sare, would be good enough to start in the Super14 and he's done OK, without being Wallaby material. They are similar, in that they are both what I call "good footie players" thought McCabe would like to have Sare's feet.
Good to see Jerry Y pass muster in the Brumbies Academy. It's a big call to give an inexperienced prop a 3 year contract and if he gets his scrummaging right he will marginalise Henderson's value to the Ponies.
But he's a LHP, not a THP. There is no mystery why so many young LHPs are emerging in Oz rugby: it's an easier position to play as a young man whose strength is not fully developed yet. One would hope that Ben Alexander gets more time on the TH side next year with the Brumbies as then he will be approaching his years of greatest strength.
It would be good to have more than one THP in a Wallaby squad. But I digress.
I don't know that he will be good enough to make the Brumbies starting team in the next couple of years, but being full time in their setup will bring the best out of him.
Mind you, I never thought another Rat, Haig Sare, would be good enough to start in the Super14 and he's done OK, without being Wallaby material. They are similar, in that they are both what I call "good footie players" thought McCabe would like to have Sare's feet.
Good to see Jerry Y pass muster in the Brumbies Academy. It's a big call to give an inexperienced prop a 3 year contract and if he gets his scrummaging right he will marginalise Henderson's value to the Ponies.
But he's a LHP, not a THP. There is no mystery why so many young LHPs are emerging in Oz rugby: it's an easier position to play as a young man whose strength is not fully developed yet. One would hope that Ben Alexander gets more time on the TH side next year with the Brumbies as then he will be approaching his years of greatest strength.
It would be good to have more than one THP in a Wallaby squad. But I digress.
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Spook
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Calling his bluff or he has indicated he isn't interested. I think O'Connor should stay in Perth in any event.
Lee Grant
John Eales (66)
Chalk up the name Julian Salvi as another player who made a decision to go offshore because there wasn't a 5th Super team to go to.
He wasn't the greatest backrower to play Super rugby in an Oz team, but he was always valuable on the bench. Like Hodgson and Brown at the Force he could play all three positions if needs be, but was not quite at the same level as them; nor was he big enough to be a lineout 6 or a bruiser 8.
He was not a great athlete but he was a good team man and never left a great deal of petrol in the tank.
In a sense Elsom's decision to go to the Brumbies has affected Salvi and Mowen in different ways. Salvi is forced to go offshore, but Mowen can keep playing for the Tahs in Rocky's old spot.
Sliding doors.
He wasn't the greatest backrower to play Super rugby in an Oz team, but he was always valuable on the bench. Like Hodgson and Brown at the Force he could play all three positions if needs be, but was not quite at the same level as them; nor was he big enough to be a lineout 6 or a bruiser 8.
He was not a great athlete but he was a good team man and never left a great deal of petrol in the tank.
In a sense Elsom's decision to go to the Brumbies has affected Salvi and Mowen in different ways. Salvi is forced to go offshore, but Mowen can keep playing for the Tahs in Rocky's old spot.
Sliding doors.
eddo
Larry Dwyer (12)
Why qld wouldn't look to salvi as a better option than Leroy "Houston, we have a problem" is beyond me ...
Who else thinks that the Daniel Braid experiment was a waste of time? I'll be honest - It looked good initially - but a 1 yr contract with a not-so-superstar isn't going to fix the reds problems... they need someone like salvi who will do the damned hard yards that Crofty used to do.
Interesting that they chose to keep chapman over salvi too... jules has been a brumby through and through and I never saw him let the team down on the field. .. Paying the price for being too short one suspects.
Who else thinks that the Daniel Braid experiment was a waste of time? I'll be honest - It looked good initially - but a 1 yr contract with a not-so-superstar isn't going to fix the reds problems... they need someone like salvi who will do the damned hard yards that Crofty used to do.
Interesting that they chose to keep chapman over salvi too... jules has been a brumby through and through and I never saw him let the team down on the field. .. Paying the price for being too short one suspects.
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Spook
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Lee, I don't think Salvi was interested in playing for any other province. QLD were after him last year (and this year) and he said no. He's stated he doesn't want to play against the Brumbies.
I'm with you there Eddo (even with the mungo jumper in the Avatar) on Salvi vs both Houston and Braid.
Had no idea about the omerta pact Salvi has with the Brumbies though. Touching, but a pity. Couldn't they just put it in his contract that he sits out the ACT game?
Had no idea about the omerta pact Salvi has with the Brumbies though. Touching, but a pity. Couldn't they just put it in his contract that he sits out the ACT game?
eddo
Larry Dwyer (12)
Gagger said:
Haha... They could. But should they have to? Most players get to that mythical 110% against their old teams. Tuqiri/Sailor relished going up against qld.. Braid played well against the blues. Tom Waldrom had a blinder against the hurricanes. If it's true that Jules doesn't want to play against the Brumbies then I heard there is a few spots going in League for him.. though if he is that soft maybe he should just bugger off to japan.
also according to wikipedia..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Salvi
He could qualify to play for Italy. Maybe rather than play aginst the brumbies he could play against the wallabies next week?
It's funny,.. for me growing up it was all about the boarder.
You live on our side - you support OUR side.
But no. NSW has thousands of wankers who live near the ACT, Victoria and Qld and would rather support the pricks over there. This phenomenon shits me no end.
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Spook
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eddo said:
Hi Eddo and welcome. You do realise that the Brumbies dropped the "ACT" from their name a few years back as the ACT and South NSW unions joined together...so the Brumbies pretty much represent everything south of Orange. NSW now represents all wankers and toffs in Sydney
eddo
Larry Dwyer (12)
Spook said:eddo said:
Hi Eddo and welcome. You do realise that the Brumbies dropped the "ACT" from their name a few years back as the ACT and South NSW unions joined together...so the Brumbies pretty much represent everything south of Orange. NSW now represents all wankers and toffs in Sydney
I know it intimately Spook. In fact I was in SIRU (Southern Inland Rugby Union) and was part of the group that voted for the change. - ONLY because the tahs did absolutely nothing for us.. $$ wise or Game wise.
The Bumbles agreed to play some pre-season games in Wagga (and have done at least 2 since.) Traditionally wagga is mungo territory and the preseason games are making big inroads into the juniors scene.
But with all that said.
If the All Blacks or the Crusaders had played a game in Melbourne like they had looked into - would we be happy if purebred aussies became kiwi fans...
F*#k no.
I like the brumbies, .. coz they help out SIRU and South Coast. But you cross the boarder into the ACT and something changes. It could be that they have their own set of rules etc,.. the thin air? .. who knows. The bottom line is they are now getting their young talent from NSW.
Back to the point.
The merge pissed off the NSWRU quite a bit.
i) They weren't prepared to put in the effort to cultivate a zone more than 3 hours from Sydney.
ii) They cut the elligibility for SIRU/South Coast players to qualify for NSW Country (where those unions had provided many great players of the past.)
amongst other changes.
Now SIRU plays in this new southern comp. Won it last year.. but that doesn't say much for the other teams now does it.
Maybe NSW ignored SIRU in the first place because of the phenomenon..
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Spook
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eddo said:Spook said:eddo said:
Hi Eddo and welcome. You do realise that the Brumbies dropped the "ACT" from their name a few years back as the ACT and South NSW unions joined together...so the Brumbies pretty much represent everything south of Orange. NSW now represents all wankers and toffs in Sydney
I know it intimately Spook. In fact I was in SIRU (Southern Inland Rugby Union) and was part of the group that voted for the change. - ONLY because the tahs did absolutely nothing for us.. $$ wise or Game wise.
The Bumbles agreed to play some pre-season games in Wagga (and have done at least 2 since.) Traditionally wagga is mungo territory and the preseason games are making big inroads into the juniors scene.
But with all that said.
If the All Blacks or the Crusaders had played a game in Melbourne like they had looked into - would we be happy if purebred aussies became kiwi fans...
F*#k no.
I like the brumbies, .. coz they help out SIRU and South Coast. But you cross the boarder into the ACT and something changes. It could be that they have their own set of rules etc,.. the thin air? .. who knows. The bottom line is they are now getting their young talent from NSW.
Back to the point.
The merge pissed off the NSWRU quite a bit.
i) They weren't prepared to put in the effort to cultivate a zone more than 3 hours from Sydney.
ii) They cut the elligibility for SIRU/South Coast players to qualify for NSW Country (where those unions had provided many great players of the past.)
amongst other changes.
Now SIRU plays in this new southern comp. Won it last year.. but that doesn't say much for the other teams now does it.
Maybe NSW ignored SIRU in the first place because of the phenomenon..
Great stuff Eddo. Sorry if I sounded patronising as clearly you know a lot more than me about the local scene (doesn't help I'm stuck here in Ireland for the moment)!
Places like Goulburn and Queanbeyan have provided a sh|tload of rugby talent to NSW over the years...so you are saying that this is now being funnelled to the Brumbies? Not good for NSW although they have the GPS rugby. What comp do the schools like Eddies (my old school) and Marist play in these days? The Waratah shield was always the big thing in my day (20 years ago) but I understand that the quality of the competition went down hill and the ACT schools got kicked out.
eddo
Larry Dwyer (12)
All good spook,
In a few years I'll be too far removed as well. I'm now in the states.
All the goulburn ruggers are getting sucked into the Brumbies. I guess I don't have a problem with that. They need to get their talent from somewhere and you can't make a succesful franchise out of 5-10 schools. My problem is that the towns themselves are deserting the state they are in.
You know what,.. I'm going to take everything back and blame NSW for all their own support problems.
The way the tahs (and NSW in general) has marketed itself in the last 20 yrs has been all about Sydney...
So no wonder those outside the big smoke are giving the bird in return.
In a few years I'll be too far removed as well. I'm now in the states.
All the goulburn ruggers are getting sucked into the Brumbies. I guess I don't have a problem with that. They need to get their talent from somewhere and you can't make a succesful franchise out of 5-10 schools. My problem is that the towns themselves are deserting the state they are in.
You know what,.. I'm going to take everything back and blame NSW for all their own support problems.
The way the tahs (and NSW in general) has marketed itself in the last 20 yrs has been all about Sydney...
So no wonder those outside the big smoke are giving the bird in return.
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Spook
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eddo said:
Another poster called Biffo is from Snowy Mountain territory...I often sugget to him that his allegiance to NSW is now inappropriate :thumb
eddo said:
Fixed. The Leagues Club in Wagga went broke some years ago; the building has been sold for offices and the adjoining land, which was the main league playing oval, has been rezoned for housing development. Would you believe the three high schools in Wagga no longer play league as an official sport, they play union or AFL. Rugby League is in very serious trouble in country New South Wales, without the systemic Catholic schools in Sydney and the high schools west of Parramatta it'd be fucked. This year, the league stronghold, St Greg's Campbelltown, joined the ISA competition for rugby only, while continuing their league commitments midweek. I can't see all those country boys continuing with league when they return home.
Spook, Eddie's, Marist Pearce, Canberra Grammar, Radford, etc. play in a mixed school/club competition in Canberra. There aren't enough numbers to play a schools-only comp so the schools and junior clubs agreed to combine for the sake of a meaningful competition. This does make for some difficulties when Eddie's want to play other schools not in Canberra as they have their regular Saturday commitments. A couple of years ago Eddie's got a bye inserted early in the season which allowed them to play Joeys at Hunters Hill. They had a very, very good team, the last in a line of 7 or 8 Waratah Shield victors. The Canberra pundits reckoned Joeys would need a 25 point start to be in it; Joeys flogged them 45-0. But apart from that isolated incident the locals tell me union now has more pull in Canberra than league, the Brumbies get bigger crowds than the Raiders and, believe it or not, they get more press coverage.
eddo, what country team were you involved with?
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formeropenside
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Bugger that Chapman may stay in Canberra, rather than come home to Qld. He's as versatile as Salvi, in a way: I'd be happy to play him at 4, 6 or 8, and he is a genuine lineout option. I can see why Salvi was let go instead of Chappie.
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